Work or Shoot?

[PsychoSy]

The terms "work" and "shoot" are used in the pro wrestling industry to describe the validity of the plots and angles wrestlers are involved in to create that sense of drama, mostly during interviews. In other words, if an angle is a "shoot", it usually means the wrestler is going out-of-character to legitmately make a point, be it verbally or physically. If it's a "work", then the whole event is just pre-scripted backstage and may sound or appear like a "shoot" to the viewer.

Earlier this week, this happened earlier in Iraq.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/04/09/top.main.1.statue.stages.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/images/87085/57_1_040903_iraq_top10.jpg

It was an amazing event to behold. News organizations such as MSNBC, CNN, and FOX News were calling this event "history in the making" and aired the proceedings LIVE. We were told by each of these news organizations that what we were witnesses to was a "huge uprising" in Iraq where the statue of Saddam Hussein in Fardus Square was being torn down by hordes of Iraqi citizens.

It sure looked that way, right?

The truth is that whole event was a "work".

Totally scripted and pulled off for the media and for political hay.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm

[deejaya]

I had suspicions when I saw a relatively small number of people from the capital cheering ferverently, while in the backgrounds there were people looking not so happy. I could name a couple of politicians I would "throw my shoes" at if their statue was toppled. That was a very small amount of people showing up for that event.

Though, there were other similar events happening at the same day in other places in the country. Definitely makes you wonder.

[-=Gib-McFragger=-]

Hrm.......I honestly wouldn't be surprised. I think the american media is no better than the Iraqi Information Minister for spreading propaganda about the war. :rolleyes:

[sytaylor]

Yes but it still doesnt answer the classic... was the montreal screwjob a work? :p

[intercede007]

*Shrugs*

I would have prefered they shot a 120MM M829 from the M1 at it the moment they got into Baghdad.. But thats just me.

[vampireuk]

Well the warm welcome is seeping away. People are getting angry because the occupying troops are doing nothing to stop looting.

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by sytaylor
Yes but it still doesnt answer the classic... was the montreal screwjob a work? :p

At first, is looked like a shoot but as time went by, too many signs point to the ol' Montreal screwjob to be a flat out, well scripted, excellently executed (pun intended) work. :D

The question that did it for me was why would McMahon tolerate anyone - be they Bret Hart or some jobber - go off on a tirade and destroy company property? McMahon can be a shrewd business man and, regardless on how rich he is, the idea that he'd allow Bret to go off like that without the locker room emptying and without the police coming in and taking over sounds like a work.

It's either a work or McMahon chose that moment to show tolerance. :p

I guess there a video out called "The Best Of WWE Confidential" with recent interviews of HBK and I haven't checked it out yet so I don't know if his story changed or not. I recall him saying up and down that he had nothing to do with it and it was all McMahon's idea. Overall, both Vince and Hart benefited from it - it launched the "Mr. McMahon Vs. Stone Cold" feud and gave Hart immense support for whenever he popped up on WCW.

As for this Iraqi Screwjob (:p) deal, that website also says elsewhere that the American flag that initially got draped over Saddam's head was the exact same flag from the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon. Now...how in the world did THAT get there in Iraq, eh?!? ;)

[vampireuk]

I think Michaels had nothing to do with it, you could see on his face he had no idea what was going on:D

[LORD-eX-Bu]

hey Psycho, I know those guys that tore down that statue. Even if they did stage it, it was a big morale boost for our guys there, sent a singal to the rest of baghdad and those in the region who would oppose us.

This just makes our guy's victory march that much sweeter when they get back home to good ol'e Twentynine Palms;)

[vampireuk]

Mr Flibble has it on good authority that they were never really there:D

[Sazar]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Well the warm welcome is seeping away. People are getting angry because the occupying troops are doing nothing to stop looting.

not to say vandalizing the hospitals..

it boggles the mind that till last night the only hospital being provided with security is the main baghdad one...

[Starscream]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I think Michaels had nothing to do with it, you could see on his face he had no idea what was going on:D

Actually he's said in a couple of interviews just recently that he knew about the whole thing, Vince came to him and said this is what's happening and he agreed.

Now those statements could in themselves be a work to help reinforce the idea that the montreal incident was a shoot. :D

[vampireuk]

I heard Bret also gave Vince a rather hard hit round the head to say the least after that:D

[UDawg]

Ya, some people can not ever be happy. /shakes his head
Sure glad you can sit back and analize this from your lay-z-boy in the good ole USA. :rolleyes:

[Red Dog]

hey listen up! NO MORE IRAQ THREADS.

(that is unless Sy starts one?)

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8953


"(2) makes our job as moderators easier with only ONE "Iraqi War" thread to police instead of dozens.

So, if you wish to opine on the War In Iraq, do so ONLY here!"

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...=&threadid=8928


LOL :D (just ribbing you)

[PsychoSy]

Hay-yay-yay!!! Hold the phone here!! :angel:

This thread is more about the integrity of journalism than a war! :D

[Son Goku]

Let the war for public opinion now begin :p Rather then the fall of the Berlin Wall, this looks like another event in Soviet History, such as the KGB agent who faked a death during the Chekzolvakian revelution. Emotions hightened as people thought he was dead, but as it turned out latter, he was in fact a KGB agent posing as a revolutionary and very much alive afterward. There was question afterward, as I remember concerning whether the Czeck revolution was staged by the KGB, the KGB was working within the ranks of the revolutionaries trying to direct the course of things, or what not.

If why they would do this makes little sense to one, consider the philosophy of Georg Heggle, and the idea of a controlled dialectic, controlling conflict to create history, etc...

Hrm.......I honestly wouldn't be surprised. I think the american media is no better than the Iraqi Information Minister for spreading propaganda about the war.

Except that, if you take the word of the people from The Register, the Iraqi Information Minister has some entertainment value and could get followup job as a comedian or court jester.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/30211.html

I wonder if we can find some entertainment value on the other side too...though yes propoganda is something that is unique to no one nation.

Oh, editorial note: The one who came up with the renaming of French fries to freedom fries could go down for entertainment value. A political statement over what one names food does have it's comical value after all :p

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I think Michaels had nothing to do with it, you could see on his face he had no idea what was going on:D

Yeah i have the "hitman hart: wrestling with shadows" documentary" and that shows the whole thing from brets perspective.

If you think about it, Bret kept his hitman character and McMahon became the first MEGA-heel. I think Vince wanted that result all along and he'd have done anything to get it, the screw job was the perfect fix... so in that effect it is a work... however whether bret knew it was planned or not is another question.

At the begining to that documentary he talks about shawn in a shoot and says "he's a top athlete but he's arrogant and thinks he's better than everyone else", a statement agreed by many others from the lockers of the time. Shawn now is mr respectable (but now he's not the best anymore so in a way its a shame), so he doesn't have to come off as an arrogant face. He is a face.

If any of that made sense, let me know!