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MikeC
10-29-07, 10:52 AM
Although my internet connection has been unstable, I hope to get an opportunity to share a limited set of results from my weekend-long testing with MSI’s over-clocked NX8800GT 512MB graphics card under Windows XP. As most of us already know NVIDIA announced their GeForce 8800 GT Graphics Processing Unit today, which will bring the performance of the high-end GeForce 8800 GTX down to mainstream prices.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1193646673731.html

The GeForce 8800 GT features a 256-bit memory bus and combined with a die shrink to 65nm and an optimized shader/texturing architecture, it is able to compete with the GeForce 8800 GTX, which utilizes a more expensive 384-bit memory bus. The GeForce 8800 GT supports PCI Express 2.0 and features a second generation PureVideo engine with acceleration and post processing for HD DVD and Blu-ray.

As indicated by the benchmark results below, there were cases where the performance of the MSI NX8800GT exceeded a stock GeForce 8800 GTX, i.e. Dark Messiah (Source Engine), Company of Heroes, and Oblivion.

However, with an addition 256MB of memory, the GeForce 8800 GTX does maintain an advantage when memory-demanding settings were used, which was the case with Dark Messiah at 2560x1600 with high texture quality at 4x AA and Oblivion at 2560x1600 with 4x AA and HDR. Note that the complete in-game graphics settings used in the benchmarks will be fully disclosed in our upcoming review. In most cases, the graphics settings were at their maximum level.

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200710/msi_nx8800_gt_1.png

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200710/msi_nx8800_gt_2.png

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200710/msi_nx8800_gt_3.png

Also noteworthy is the GeForce 8 Series support for a new multisampling transparency antialiasing (MS TAA) algorithm that combats aliasing in transparent textures close to the level provided by supersampling (SS TAA), but with less of a performance hit. Although it was time consuming, I made it a point to benchmark with multisampling and supersampling antialiasing to determine any impact on performance since the use of transparent textures vary by game.

Far Cry’s Regulator level makes heavy uses of transparent textures as do areas in Half-Life 2. Transparency antialiasing is an underrated and underreported feature that vastly improves image quality as demonstrated in the following examples:

Half-Life 2 - http://www.nvnews.net/previews/geforce_7800_gtx/page_2.shtml

Far Cry - http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/msi_geforce_nx8800gtx/page_4.shtml

And finally, the latest 169.01 beta drivers provided a 5-10% increase in performance across the board under Windows XP. Although I have yet to test them under Windows Vista, they are receiving positive feedback.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101042

The drivers also feature explicit antialiasing support for titles based on Unreal Engine 3, which is demonstrated in the UT3 demo ShangriLa Flyby results using 2x AA .

The launch of the GeForce 8800 GT is certainly unprecedented and historical as NVIDIA and their add-in graphics partners are clicking on all cylinders!

LORD-eX-Bu
10-29-07, 01:29 PM
looks like a great card, NVIDIA is coming out with a new GTS model as well right?

I think I may wait for those to SLI :D

great comparison, that must've taken forever to do. Its neat to see the GT actually pass up the GTX in some tests, the die shrink and further optimizations along with a high shader clock must really be working wonders :D

J-Mag
10-29-07, 01:32 PM
Nice to see XP, every other review out there is some permutation of Vista.

BUT, no XP Crysis?!? That's the thing I've been looking for all morning...

LORD-eX-Bu
10-29-07, 01:33 PM
maybe he is still waiting in line at fileplanet to download it :p

methimpikehoses
10-29-07, 02:48 PM
I will have a review posted in a few days. MSI requested that I wait until after the launch to post the review.

Is the new GTS > GT?

SH64
10-29-07, 03:45 PM
Hmmm the extra texture address units seems to be putting the GT ahead of the GTX in some situations.

Nice benchies Mike! quick'n easy to read ;)

K007
10-30-07, 03:53 AM
what a nice card. Bang for buck..reminds me of the 6800GT i brought back ages ago, then o/c.

One thing i wonder...Could we get some detail on the heat? I wonder if this is a cheap card..with high performance..with a cheap heatsink...

stncttr908
10-30-07, 04:14 AM
Well the die shrink should theoretically help keep temps down. I hope someone comes out with a full cover water block soon. :D

Talon
10-30-07, 11:01 AM
I gotta say, that's pretty damn impressive at that price point. However, I need something that can have it's way with Crysis. :D

jolle
10-30-07, 11:09 AM
One thing i wonder...Could we get some detail on the heat? I wonder if this is a cheap card..with high performance..with a cheap heatsink...
There are a bunch of reviews that look at temp and noise levels.
check the 8800GT review thread.

grey_1
10-30-07, 01:34 PM
Nice review Mike. That's some outstanding bang for the buck imho. Fits my price point too. :D

DiscipleDOC
10-30-07, 01:35 PM
Nice review Mike. That's some outstanding bang for the buck imho. Fits my price point too. :D
I may get one/two for my birthday! ;)

SH64
10-30-07, 02:45 PM
I may get one/two for my birthday! ;)
Get me another one while you're on it , will ya ? :cool:

K007
10-31-07, 04:06 AM
There are a bunch of reviews that look at temp and noise levels.
check the 8800GT review thread.

Thats true..but sometimes those review sites...don't tell the entire truth...Rather here it from someone actually who plans on using a card not just to test -.-.

Rather here feedback from users in forum that a review site tbh.. not that i am saying they suck or anything..but end user and reviews..are sometimes not that clear ><

Plus the reason why i ask this is because even though there is a die shrink/etc and less heat generated...the card looks like its single slot, the heat doesn't get vented out the case...but into the case...(at least thats what the pictures say/look like)..which would be a bit of a pain for the close cased users..I know the GX2 that i have does the same thing of venting it inside the case, but i have the case open, and clean it up every 1-2 months or so..i sure would like to go back to my old 6800GT with the custom heatsink which vented everything out the back...and yea before u ask why i got a GX2...ill just say..i brought 4 7900GTX which were all dead/broken...gave up and went for the GX2 and have not had the lame issues.

Revs
10-31-07, 05:23 AM
I've just purchased 2 x Zotac 8800GT's. I'll do some testing tonight and report back.

MikeC
10-31-07, 09:05 PM
Update - 10/31/2007:

I've been measuring the effectiveness of the MSI NX8800GT's fan in cooling the GPU and memory under a load bearing scenario. By default, the fan speed is set to operate at 29%, which is approximately 1,600RPM.

With the graphics card installed in a closed case, the temperature of the GPU at idle was 56C. With the Real-Time High Dynamic Range Image Based Lighting (rthdribl) demo running in an 800x600 window, the GPU reached a peak temperature of 95C with the room temperature at 22.7C / 73F. As a side note, I also conducted the same series of tests with the room temperature at 78F where the GPU temperature topped out at 100C.

Using NVIDIA's nTune, I started to increase the fan speed in increments of 10% and recorded the GPU, memory, and ambient temperatures as reported by Everest Ultimate Edition. The results are shown in the following graph.

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200710/msi_nx8800_gt_temps.png

Increasing the fan speed from 29% to 40% provided a noticeable decrease in temperature, which was also the case when the fan speed increased from 40% to 50%. At 50%, the fan is operating at 2,600RPM. At 99%, or 4,300 RPM, the fan was unbearably loud.

A second test was then conducted to determine the point at which I could begin to hear the fan with all the case fans powered down and with all the case fans running at 75%. The results of this test are shown by the shaded area in the graph, which is labeled as the "Optimal Fan Noise to Cooling Zone." At 45%, the fan noise is hardly noticeable and only begins to become noticeable at 50%.

Although this information was collected using my PC, the results would indicate that with a properly ventilated case, an aftermarket cooler is not a requirement in order to adequately cool the GeForce 8800 GT. NVIDIA's engineers devised a cooling solution whereby all of the boards components are behind a metal faceplate.

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200710/msi_nx8800gt_1.jpg

Luminal
10-31-07, 09:30 PM
So i suppose 100c (boiling temp) is ok for 8800GT. Even tho it might handle the heat, the problem is that all that hot air gets right in to the case. (lee63)

I guess third party cooling is recommended, and "few" 120mm fans :p

MikeC
10-31-07, 11:58 PM
So i suppose 100c (boiling temp) is ok for 8800GT. Even tho it might handle the heat, the problem is that all that hot air gets right in to the case. (lee63)

I guess third party cooling is recommended, and "few" 120mm fans :p

You're a perfect example of why people shouldn't do drugs. 3rd party cooling isn't needed unless you build your rig stoned and forget the basic steps of cooling101.

LORD-eX-Bu
11-01-07, 12:02 AM
You're a prefect example of why people shouldn't do drugs. 3rd party cooling isn't needed unless you build your rig stoned and forget the basic steps of cooling101.

omg MikeC :rofl

aren't you missing Ghost Hunters Live? :lol:

MikeC
11-01-07, 12:11 AM
aren't you missing Ghost Hunters Live? :lol:

Tonights show is 6 hours long. After an hour I got bored and decided to work on my review instead. :p

LORD-eX-Bu
11-01-07, 12:22 AM
Tonights show is 6 hours long. After an hour I got bored and decided to work on my review instead. :p

I am watching it on my PC using TVUPlayer, I am also on their site, I keep hitting the panic button and asking them to come out to miami to unclog my haunted toilet :D

I really like that single slot cooler, I am not ready to dump my 640 MB GTS yet but if I would switch over to this I would do it for that reason alone :lol:

would definately help sli rigs with water cooling on the nb and sb, but then again you could always just water cool the gpus :lol:

Blacklash
11-01-07, 11:55 AM
Looks like two of these can out do an Ultra well @ 1920x in some instances-

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7929/11934320437hjeaa11au410iu6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Source:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMCw0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

namuk
11-01-07, 12:02 PM
You're a perfect example of why people shouldn't do drugs. 3rd party cooling isn't needed unless you build your rig stoned and forget the basic steps of cooling101.


lol (nana2) (nana2) (nana2) lol

SeriTonin
11-02-07, 08:01 PM
Tonights show is 6 hours long. After an hour I got bored and decided to work on my review instead. :p

It did get boring quick, didn't it? Last year was so much better.

LORD-eX-Bu
11-02-07, 08:03 PM
It was pretty good this year, the highlight of the show was seeing Elijah Burke crap his pants and run like a little girl :rofl