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KickAssCop
11-04-07, 06:58 PM
I am setting up a poll to see how many people are actually upgrading their 8800GTS cards to 8800GTs and what kind of performance benefits are they seeing. My current card is an XFX 8800GTS 640 MB XXX edition that comes stock clocked at 600 core, 1500 shader and 1900 memory. I doubt that 96SP vs. 112SP is a major difference but I would like to see some numbers. I am also contemplating an 8800GT but feel that my XFX is really close to an 8800GT stock or slightly overclocked (the 660 core versions).

My XFX is currently doing 650 core, 1625 shader, 2100 memory. It runs at 83 C at full load, and is virtually silent with fan running at 59% according to rivatuner. Is it really beneficial to update considering that I would be having a card running at 95 C without exhaust and a low noisier fan (relatively speaking), not to mention I would be paying about 30-40$ extra?

My rig is in sig for reference. I can do 28.11 fps in crysis using very high tweaks in Windows XP at 1280*960 2xAA, edgeAA, 16xAF with my A64 X2 @ 2.5 Ghz.

avirox
11-04-07, 07:06 PM
There are tons of benchmarks out there that show the performance diff. This thread kinda goes into it pretty well: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101341

Personally I don't see much of a reason to upgrade from the 640 to the GT; The major reasons I upgraded from my 320 were memory and power consumption, and perhaps a small performance increase to boot. The 640 can even push higher resolutions than the GT in a small few cases (though none of them really matter to me unless the GTS640 is doing at least 30fps average..). For GTS 640 owners the new GTS models might be a good choice to step-up to or buy new.

SH64
11-04-07, 07:11 PM
For Crysis thats not much of an upgrade , for other games its a little upgrade.

IMO , dont upgrade unless for a something like a GTX or Ultra.

DarkOneX
11-04-07, 07:59 PM
For Crysis thats not much of an upgrade , for other games its a little upgrade.

IMO , dont upgrade unless for a something like a GTX or Ultra.

Ya, spend $500+ instead for a GTX that does maybe 5fps more, that makes sense lol.

SH64
11-04-07, 08:02 PM
Ya, spend $500+ instead for a GTX that does maybe 5fps more, that makes sense lol.
Well considering he's going to sell his GTS it should cost him much less than that.

KickAssCop
11-04-07, 10:53 PM
My 8800GTS won't sell for more than $300 as far as I am estimating it.

SH64
11-05-07, 12:16 AM
My 8800GTS won't sell for more than $300 as far as I am estimating it.
In any case , the poll already answered your question ;)

911medic
11-05-07, 12:38 AM
I think this quote from bit-tech sums up the 8800GT vs. 8800GTS 640 quite nicely:As a single card, the GeForce 8800 GT is a fantastic solution and blows the GeForce 8800 GTS and Radeon HD 2900 XT out of the water at settings where the card's lack of memory bandwidth isn't going to hamper it. In other words, when high levels of anti-aliasing or in some cases anisotropic filtering (yes, I'm looking at you, Crysis) are enabled, the GeForce 8800 GT tends to struggle a little bit. But it's not quite as clear cut as that, because certain games don't seem to take quite as much of a hit as others.

Going forwards, I would suggest that memory bandwidth might be more of an issue, but that doesn't prevent this card from being fantastic. You just have to know its strengths and weaknesses.

Many sites have said that the GeForce 8800 GT is a GeForce 8800 GTX killer, but if you go through our results, there are scenarios where the GeForce 8800 GTX is significantly faster than the GeForce 8800 GT. It's the same case in point that I've just made about how this card compares to the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB. If you are selective with the benchmark data, you can make the card look better than it actually is.

If you're an AA *****, this isn't going to be much faster than the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB, and in some cases it's actually slightly slower. In the grand scheme of things though, it's fair to say the card performs about as well as the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB with AA enabled at the resolutions that matter (i.e. where you'll get a playable frame rate), but there are occasions where it is faster - typically these are when the bandwidth utilisation is fairly low or at least enabling anti-aliasing is fairly trivial (like in Team Fortress 2).Based on that, it doesn't really sound like it's worth "upgrading."

KickAssCop
11-05-07, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the quote and thanks to people responding to the poll. It is quite evident to me now that an 8800GT isn't really an upgrade and considering that I already have a heck of a card when it comes to clock speeds an 8800GT can only be faster by 2-3 fps in virtually every game that matters. I will see what else people have to say before I finalize my decision though :).

Athena
11-05-07, 10:12 AM
I will be upgrading, from my 7900GTO, but tha is not the same. If I had a GTS I would not even be thinking about it. I would however be excited about the next GTS or GTX comming out. I would be hoping they would be cheaper or if not that much faster then the new GT.

Revs
11-05-07, 10:12 AM
I swapped purely so when the new high-end card comes my GT's will hopefully be worth more than my GTS's would. It's a bit of a gamble but it should pay off. When the revised GTS's arrive the old GTS's are gonna drop in value. Especially if the new GTS's are cheap, which is quite likely.

As for Crysis, the GT's perform quite a bit better from my experience. No card will run at Very High settings with AA on anyhow. But with these GT's I can run at Very High settings in XP getting about 35-45 FPS average.

KickAssCop
11-05-07, 10:35 AM
35-45 fps at what resolution, settings, tweaks, and with SLi?

avirox
11-05-07, 11:54 AM
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxNiwzLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

there's something to look at; while the 640 doesn't lag much behind it looks like the 320 has finally reached a game that it can't max out textures >.< GT trails close to the GTX though, albeit without the AA :\

Revs
11-05-07, 02:34 PM
35-45 fps at what resolution, settings, tweaks, and with SLi?

1680x1050 with the settings tweak from the French site, running in SLI at the clocks in my sig.

It's still no good in Vista DX10 though.

28829

KickAssCop
11-05-07, 03:08 PM
1680x1050 with the settings tweak from the French site, running in SLI at the clocks in my sig.

It's still no good in Vista DX10 though.

28829
Can you tell me the french site tweaks? Thanks. I know I am digressing a bit but I really want to know what kindof benefits I can get with an 8800GT :).

XDanger
11-05-07, 04:43 PM
sold my 640 GTS for 195 , Bought my GT for 155.

By the time the G92 GTS comes out theres no way I would get that much for my old GTS so it HAD to go or I would be losing out big time.

MUFC4EVER
11-06-07, 05:21 PM
sold my 640 GTS for 195 , Bought my GT for 155.

By the time the G92 GTS comes out theres no way I would get that much for my old GTS so it HAD to go or I would be losing out big time.

So you win some lose some. Bit suspicious about your claims of selling for 195 but that's up to you.

Think about it. If a 640mb GTS second hand is worth 50 more than a new GT, when next gen comes along how much do you think the GT will be worth?

Swings and roundabouts my friend. For the small performance gains you should have stuck with GTS as 640mb ram will always be worth more than 512mb IMHO.

Time will tell.

(lee63)

AGibbon
11-06-07, 11:57 PM
I would say for the 640 it isn't worth it, but for the 320, I made the plunge, and it seems like a good choice.

adrichardson
11-07-07, 08:54 AM
I'm in a similar situation myself. I've got a 320mb GTS at the moment with a pretty hefty overclock. I think the main thing holding me back is memory - 320mb seems to be a major bottleneck in DX10 games @1440x900.

I was thinking about going for the GT as the GTX is still retailing at about 300 (GT is only 165). Thing is there's also the rumoured new 8800gts (which is either going to be a 640mb gtx, a 640mb 65nm G80, or a 1gb G92 depending who you ask). Even if it's only another 50 or so than the GT, it's going to be a real mosnter if it's another G92.

I've given up predicting what Nvidia will do next - I never even figured we'd see the G92 in a 8 series card, so logic has gone out of the window.

Ikshaar
11-08-07, 03:28 PM
My 8800GTS won't sell for more than $300 as far as I am estimating it.
Hmm tell me the name of the guy who would pay you $300 for a card which is less powerful than a $250 card, I have another 8800GTS to sell him ;)

Seriously for a used 8800GTS card, $200 would probably be good. The retail price of the 8800GTS/GTX will adjust sooner or later, as those are now way overpriced.


Edit: I stand corrected by XDanger, there IS such idiot out there. Lucky you.

XDanger
11-08-07, 03:44 PM
. Bit suspicious about your claims of selling for 195 but that's up to you.
(lee63)
Not sure if you meant if im being honest ,But just incase, Ebay ID 110185019367

My 8800GT vanished into the ether thanks to Ebuyer so I may hold onto the cash and see how everything pans out with the ATI offering and the 1gb GT if those show up.

SLippe
11-08-07, 08:15 PM
Well, I had an 8800GTS 640MB and sold it, but not to upgrade. However, now that I am looking for a new card, I am looking at the 8800GT or two 8600GTS 512MB in SLI.

I did not vote in the poll.

avirox
11-08-07, 09:10 PM
I finally got my GT, "upgraded" from the 320mb GTS. There's no real noticeable framerate difference in games except for crysis. This is probably because the max res on my monitor is 1680x1050 and I never found the need to enable more than 4xAA with my GTS to begin with. Crysis and GoW are the first 2 new games to really show the 320's limitations at these settings. I can only assume that more games in the future will. Still, I got great mileage out of my GTS 320.

DiscipleDOC
11-08-07, 10:01 PM
I'm getting the GT sometime around 12/15.

methimpikehoses
11-08-07, 10:02 PM
I'm getting the GT sometime around 12/15.

Get the new GTS by then if it's out! (Or buy my GT when I buy the new GTS :D )