Any info on ATI's fall part?

[Fotis]

Since Ati has moved r400 to 2004 what are they cooking up for us this fall?
Just a 0.13 higher clocked r350 with DDR2 or a 0.13 r350 MAXX maybe.
Any ideas?

[Uttar]

I'm just going to repeat myself...
Currently, nothing has taped-out at TSMC. However, ATI will not miss the fall product cycle.

Yeah, I know, I'm evyl for not telling what I really mean with those words :D

Uttar

[T-Spoon]

According to some rumors I've read, R390 is gonna be either a hi-end RV350 (maybe with a 8x2 architecture) or a maxx RV350.

But then again, those are just rumors. :p

Edit: typo

[DadGT]

Originally posted by Uttar
I'm just going to repeat myself...
Currently, nothing has taped-out at TSMC. However, ATI will not miss the fall product cycle.

Yeah, I know, I'm evyl for not telling what I really mean with those words :D

Uttar

What about tape-outs at UMC? Didn't ATI sign some contracts to make chips with UMC also?

[Richthofen]

UMCs 0.13 micron process is even worse compared to the one @ TSMC.
I don't think that there will be any ATI entusiast product taped out @umc

[DaveW]

Originally posted by T-Spoon
According to some rumors I've read, R390 is gonna be either a hi-end RV350 (maybe with a 8x2 architecture) or a maxx RV350.

But then again, those are just rumors. :p

Edit: typo

8x2 would rock... if it contains some optimizations for stencil shadow operations and post-processing (e.g. depth of field effects) it could easily double your 3D Mark 2003 score ;)

[Sazar]

Originally posted by DaveW
8x2 would rock... if it contains some optimizations for stencil shadow operations and post-processing (e.g. depth of field effects) it could easily double your 3D Mark 2003 score ;)

woohoo... 3dmark03 score doubled... w00t w00t...

how bout REAL games then ?

:p

[dohcmark8]

Originally posted by Sazar
woohoo... 3dmark03 score doubled... w00t w00t...

how bout REAL games then ?

:p

ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
:afro: :eek: :afro2: :angel: :confused: :D :eek:

[Darth Rancid]

I want some Starcraft benchmarks for all the newest graphics chips and CPUs... :)

[Onde Pik]

Originally posted by Uttar
I'm just going to repeat myself...
Currently, nothing has taped-out at TSMC. However, ATI will not miss the fall product cycle.

Yeah, I know, I'm evyl for not telling what I really mean with those words :D

Uttar


Originally posted by T-Spoon
According to some rumors I've read, R390 is gonna be either a hi-end RV350 (maybe with a 8x2 architecture) or a maxx RV350.

But then again, those are just rumors. :p

Edit: typo


Hmm according to Uttars post the MAXX sounds most credible to me. If he isn't lieing, or just ignorant :p I mean if he knows that they won't miss a fall product and also that nothing new has taped out from them. Then the fall product would need to be something that doesn't need a new tapeout right? And what wouldn't need a new tapeout???

Either a super overclocked R350 with DDR2 (but arent rumors also saying that the R350 256MB will be just that?), or a multichip R350/RV350. We know that the chip is scaleable.

Yummy.... Radeon 9900 MAXX sure does sound nice.

[MuFu]

No, it's not an AFR/supertiling implementation of any kind. Neither is it an R350 w/DDR-II... that product sampled ages ago and should hit the shelves shortly.

My guess is an 8x1, 0.13u ASIC clocked at 550MHz+ w/256MB DDR-II. ATi will *definitely* release this product (whatever it is) in the fall/late summer.

RV350 is unsuitable for an ultra-high end product (even in a MAXX config).

MuFu.

[Uttar]

What MuFu said.
The MAXX rumors were just that - rumors. False ones, too, I think :)


Uttar

[T-Spoon]

Originally posted by MuFu

My guess is an 8x1, 0.13u ASIC clocked at 550MHz+

Seeing that Radeon9600Pro already hits 540Mhz without any noticable artifacts, I guess you're right. So reaching 550Mhz+ should be a piece of cake for ATi. :cool:

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by T-Spoon
Seeing that Radeon9600Pro already hits 540Mhz without any noticable artifacts, I guess you're right. So reaching 550Mhz+ should be a piece of cake for ATi. :cool:

Please link to the site that got 540mhz!!!!

And secondly, the R350 has more complex and has more transistiors than the RV350, so it will not reach the same clocks that the RV350 can, that is useing the same type of cooling method.

I feel a .13 R350 could not reach 550 that easy, watercooling yeah, air maybe with a more elaborate flowfx

[T-Spoon]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Please link to the site that got 540mhz!!!!

And secondly, the R350 has more complex and has more transistiors than the RV350, so it will not reach the same clocks that the RV350 can, that is useing the same type of cooling method.

I feel a .13 R350 could not reach 550 that easy, watercooling yeah, air maybe with a more elaborate flowfx

Here you go. Dave Baumann of Beyond3D did it and couldn't believe how far it would go:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

And I still think an .13 R350 is able to reach 550 easily. Why? Because VR-Zone has overclocked a Hercules Radeon9800Pro to 460/730 without any visual artifacts. And it's using a small Titan cooler (just like on the 9700Pro only with a blue LED) which produces less than 28 dB.

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Hercules/R9800Pro/

So if they can get a 0.15 R350 to 460 Mhz using normal cooling, why wouldn't they be able to get a 0.13 R350 to 550Mhz+ ? I see no reason why that wouldn't be possible without needing FlowFX-like cooling. :)

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by T-Spoon
Here you go. Dave Baumann of Beyond3D did it and couldn't believe how far it would go:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

And I still think an .13 R350 is able to reach 550 easily. Why? Because VR-Zone has overclocked a Hercules Radeon9800Pro to 460/730 without any visual artifacts. And it's using a small Titan cooler (just like on the 9700Pro only with a blue LED) which produces less than 28 dB.

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Hercules/R9800Pro/

So if they can get a 0.15 R350 to 460 Mhz using normal cooling, why wouldn't they be able to get a 0.13 R350 to 550Mhz+ ? I see no reason why that wouldn't be possible without needing FlowFX-like cooling. :)

Wow, kinda wish i got a herc then, oh well.

Dave B. dosent really give much info on what he did. He should do a post where he sums everything up insted of a buch of little ones : P

If they are getting a R350 to 460 with herc's stock cooler, who thinks i can reach 500 with a giant zalman?

[Evildeus]

Perhaps that link will fullfill your requirements ;)

http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/rv350/index.php?p=22

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Evildeus
Perhaps that link will fullfill your requirements ;)

http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/rv350/index.php?p=22

Yes, yes it dose. Thx!