Full NV35 official feature list inside

[Paul]

Originally posted by savyj
LOL! So some would say Solomon chose performance over IQ. That's hilarious...sorry, I had to point out the irony.

:lol2: Yeah, i know Solomon explained. But, ya know...

Originally posted by mikechai
NVIDIA simply can't afford to screw up this time ....

BTW, have the NV36 taped out yet ???

No tapeout on NV36, so you're not likely to see it before July/August. I keep wondering why it's taking so long, given that the step from NV35-NV36 isn't much at all. Hmm.

[savyj]

Originally posted by Solomon
WoW! I didn't know the color smearing was an IQ related issue. It's a technical issue >>dumbass<<.
Response Time: Sounds like a performance issue to me but really it's semantics and thanks for proving the point of my signature.
Since MuFu has an LCD monitor as well, he knows about the issues I had with it. He doesn't get really bothered by it and he even stated he never played the games I mentioned.

And you know I don't have a LCD, how? This would be a case of both an assumption and a lack of common sense.
No...I don't own an LCD *anymore*, I just sold my old Viewsonic VA700, primarily for the PERFORMANCE reasons you noted (50ms response). I have owned, researched and installed 11 LCDs (that I can remember) for my friends, family and business clients and can safely say I know at least as much as you do concerning the subject. My next LCD will be the NEC MultiSync LCD1760NX sprecifically for the same reason you bought yours. It will compliment my 21" CRT which is also getting long in the tooth (KDS 21e).
And to savyj, it helps to read and own an LCD monitor before you can even comment about what MuFu and I are discussing.
LOL! ...so easy to push your buttons. Hey...I said I was sorry. Seriously...I appologize for hurting your feelers.

[Solomon]

:) I'm a Leo go figure :p

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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[mikechai]

No tapeout on NV36, so you're not likely to see it before July/August. I keep wondering why it's taking so long, given that the step from NV35-NV36 isn't much at all. Hmm.
:cry:

The gap between NV35 and NV31 is just too large....
The Radeon 9600 pro will win over NV31.

Lets see how's the second spin of NV31 going ....

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by mikechai
:cry:

The gap between NV35 and NV31 is just too large....
The Radeon 9600 pro will win over NV31.

Lets see how's the second spin of NV31 going ....

Id like to see the NV31 with the Det 50's first.

And, the nv31 is avalible NOW compared to the 9600pro : D (ebay)

[MuFu]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Id like to see the NV31 with the Det 50's first.

And, the nv31 is avalible NOW compared to the 9600pro : D (ebay)

Yeah but so is the 9500 Pro, lol.

MuFu.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by MuFu
Yeah but so is the 9500 Pro, lol.

MuFu.

Well, according to Ebay you can buy EVERYTHING on there.

I really hate Ebay mainly because i paied for a 3.06Ghz P4 and never got it. (dam ebay)

Ebay still refuses to pay the restituion they say they will pay on their website because "we havent determed you have been scammed yet", though the FBI arrested him and i had them send ebay a letter, ebays responce is "you may still get the item in the mail"

[jolle]

With all this dissapointments on NV30 its a unfair
judgement saying that is sucks, from the benches
i´ve seen it is faster than 9700 pro in most cases
untill FSAA and AF enters the picture and Radeon
pulls ahead of GFFX by a good margin.

I wouldnt say GFFX sucks, its just not all it was expected
to be and its hard to recommend it over a radeon
right now.

On NV35 pricing, isnt it possible that it will acctually
will be slightly cheaper then NV30 at release?
Its only DDR1 from what i understand so productions
costs has to be slighty less..

I still have some hope for NV35 to regain the crown
for Nvidia, but from what Uttar have been gathering
it seems a little more bleak then i thought.
Maybe it can still pull off a step big enough to compare
it with the NV20 to NV25 move..

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by jolle
On NV35 pricing, isnt it possible that it will acctually
will be slightly cheaper then NV30 at release?

Retail will probably be the same, $399. I would guess 400mhz DDR1 is cheaper than 400mhz DDR2, but have no way to know for sure. Hopefully yields will be better for NV35 which could help lower the price compared to NV30. And if NV35 doesn't require FXFlow, that should lower costs too.

[GlowStick]

I can almost gaurentee that it will be priced at 399$ unless they feel frisky and want to undercut the compatiton.

[Shadowx]

from what i have heard the det's 50 are going to be great but will they be WQHL, because haters are flaming NV drivers for not being so.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by Shadowx
from what i have heard the det's 50 are going to be great but will they be WQHL, because haters are flaming NV drivers for not being so.

Well that'd be a good thing, anyway. Still wondering if the Det 50 will *really* release with the NV35, or if it's just a false rumor.


Uttar

[Nutty]

Sorry, to be soo far behind in this thread.

DaveW;

Yeah really... now it will be 4x3 ... still not optimal for Doom 3 which requires 5 pipelines. It may still win through brute force though...

Where on earth did you come to such a ridiculous conclusion?

Pipelines operate in parallel, with no information sharing between them. i.e. a pixel in 1 pipeline doesn't have access to the pixel being processed in another.

Doom3 does not require 5 pipelines to be optimal. Obviously the more pipelines you have the better, but it doesn't suddenly become "optimal" at 5.

I think you are confusing number of passes on certain hardware with processing pipelines.

[Geforce4ti4200]

ok back on topic.......any defininate answers to clock speeds? ramdac? res support above 2048x1536? 128mb or 256mb ram? price?

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by nForceMan
Some people always talking about superior ATI IQ especially in terms of AF implementation. OK, then what about this:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-fx_12.html

This would be that awesome AF IQ? I don't think so. It seems more like a myth to me.

Did you read it? So, we see that GeForce FX doesn’t bring any positive innovations over GeForce4 as far as anisotropic filtering quality is concerned. On the contrary, by introducing the mixture of tri-linear and bi-linear filtering instead of true tri-linear filtering they tend to worsen the image quality quite tangibly. :confused:

[threedaysdwn]

Compared to my old Geforce 4 Ti 4600, the IQ of my Radeon 9700 Pro sucks.

AF looks crappier at any setting. AA looks fine but so did the GF4.

2D quality was better on the GF4.

Sorry, all this "at least my Radeon looks nicer" BS isn't convincing me that MY card is better than any Geforce I've ever seen.

[Spotch]

Originally posted by threedaysdwn
Compared to my old Geforce 4 Ti 4600, the IQ of my Radeon 9700 Pro sucks.

AF looks crappier at any setting. AA looks fine but so did the GF4.

2D quality was better on the GF4.

Sorry, all this "at least my Radeon looks nicer" BS isn't convincing me that MY card is better than any Geforce I've ever seen.

Well in my experience your practically the only one. There must be something wrong with your setup or config IMO.

[MuFu]

BTW, I think the 5900 Ultra HS/fan is the one off the 5800 (non-Ultra).

MuFu.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by MuFu
BTW, I think the 5900 Ultra HS/fan is the one off the 5800 (non-Ultra).

MuFu.

Wow, i never herd one of those, but no one has complained about them.

[threedaysdwn]

Originally posted by Spotch
Well in my experience your practically the only one. There must be something wrong with your setup or config IMO.


Because I don't like ATI's cheap AF methods means there's something wrong with my configuration?

Sorry bud, my card is setup perfectly.

There are many situations where the Radeon assumes AF isn't needed and doesn't apply it at all, but in many cases I can see those areas and the difference IS noticeable.

2D image quality is worse too. And the drivers cause frequent problems with overlays and 2D Acceleration (stretch_blt, alpha blending, etc.).

[Spotch]

Originally posted by threedaysdwn
Because I don't like ATI's cheap AF methods means there's something wrong with my configuration?

Sorry bud, my card is setup perfectly.

There are many situations where the Radeon assumes AF isn't needed and doesn't apply it at all, but in many cases I can see those areas and the difference IS noticeable.

2D image quality is worse too. And the drivers cause frequent problems with overlays and 2D Acceleration (stretch_blt, alpha blending, etc.).

I cannot imagine how you can think the 2D is worse on the Radeon???

The 2D IQ on my 9700pro is better than any GF4 I own or have ever used. Overlay problems??? I use my card to pipe video throughout my house from the TV out and have not had any overlay problems on any screen. The movie playback on this card is the best I have ever seen.

In addition I use translucent menus/window dragging and fade effects with hydravision. I have not experienced the "frequent problems" you mention.

Overall the 9700pro is the best card I have ever used.

Its too bad your experience is otherwise.

[Evildeus]

The no dusbuster seems confirmed, even if it takes again 2 slots (AGP+PCI), as the 5800:

Et pour finir sur une note positive, sachez que d'après les photos que nous avons vu le ventilateur du NV35 est plus conventionnel, même s'il le port PCI situé sous le port AGP est toujours condamné.


http://www.3dchips-fr.com/News/news.php?id=200305076

[Jethro]

http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/big/fx5900-2b.htm

http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/big/fx5900-2b.htm



GAME on!!!



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http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/big/fx5900-1b.htm

[Jethro]

THis is gonna kick some BOotay. ATi is not bad, i like the sharpness and almost free ANistropy but i miss the det drivers and some other bonuses with nvidia cards. The FPS dips of the ATI's is annoying to.

Man u know this nv35 is gonna smoke i really really hope the the anistropy performance is much impreoved.

ATI 2d can be very bad at high res, even my BUilt by ati card. wavy lines and blurry text like very similar to the old complaints some peeps had with geeforces. @ 1100x 864 its very sharp tho.

I have experienced these things ive described on both the 9700 and the 9000PRo Overall very satisfying cards get good marks from me. I still would rather have an nvidia card tho. If the vanilla nv35 is 90% of the 9800's perf wise ill be gettin one.