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buffbiff21
11-18-07, 04:49 AM
I've seen this posted at every other forum, so why not here?

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/gigabyte/GA-MA790FX-DQ6/b1.htm

Crappy review, but it looks like AMD is finally able to catch up. Too bad the QX6700 is a slightly... FSB handicapped. 230x10

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/gigabyte/GA-MA790FX-DQ6/3dmark06.jpg

CaptNKILL
11-18-07, 05:00 AM
Doesn't look bad, but it seems a bit pointless to compare it to an underclocked CPU. :retard:

MUYA
11-18-07, 05:08 AM
Doesn't look bad, but it seems a bit pointless to compare it to an underclocked CPU. :retard:
THey are perhaps showing clock for clock performance

K007
11-18-07, 05:08 AM
All comes down to $ value.

buffbiff21
11-18-07, 05:10 AM
Wow, they're already out?

http://www.google.com/products?q=amd+phenom&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd

Same price as Q6600 basically...

MUYA
11-18-07, 05:12 AM
The sandra scores for FPU was pretty poor...wasn't the phenom supposed to have that much better FPU performance?

Mr_LoL
11-19-07, 02:08 AM
Woot. I'll be getting one of these in January. Or a Q9450 if I come to my senses then.

mtl
11-19-07, 06:25 AM
From Hexus review:
but the immutable fact remains that AMD's fastest quad-core offering is slower than Intel's slowest. Compounding this depressing statement for AMD is the January 2008 launch of Penryn-based Core 2 Quads, furthering Intel's performance dominance.

AMD's nascent Phenom also suffers under the considerable yoke of Intel's Core 2 Quad 6600 pricing, which at 165 for a hugely-overclockable 2.4GHz part is something of a bargain. AMD, though, is pitching its slightly underperforming quad-core part at roughly the same price. The industry needs AMD to survive and succeed yet it's very difficult to make a compelling buying recommendation for a processor that's a year behind its competitor - one who has already moved on to a more-efficient 45nm manufacturing process - is between 10-20 percent slower in most benchmarks, and costs much the same.

hell_of_doom227
11-19-07, 07:44 AM
A new AMD CPU is a joke...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/page25.html

jcrox
11-19-07, 07:51 AM
They're getting closer. It would be surprising to see either camp make another performance jump over the competition the way the AMD64s jumped over the P4s or in the way the C2Ds jumped over the A64s, just some good old fashioned competition would be nice. It does sound like their new chip set totally rocks though... hopefully they come out with a good CPU soon.

hell_of_doom227
11-19-07, 07:56 AM
Their new chipset sounds good on paper, but again it maybe sucks we can't know since GPU/CPU suck.

Good luck to AMD. It will be cheap upgrade for people who already own AM2 socket motherboards, but again it sucks in performance...

mythy
11-19-07, 08:47 AM
buffbiff21.... man read more reviews before you judge AMD is no where near caught up. This may be another nail in the coffin :(

Mr_LoL
11-19-07, 12:23 PM
oops. Looks like the Q9450 is the way to go really for me. Bad luck AMD.

Blacklash
11-19-07, 12:28 PM
"Intel's Q6600 is 20% faster than AMD's fastest Phenom due out in Q1, it's 30% faster than Phenom at the same clock speed, and 35% faster at the most competitive price point."

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=8

I am not sure Phenom @ 2.6 is even a match for a 6000+ @ 3.0-3.2GHz. AMD fans would probably do better with an overclocked 6000+, 6400+ or a 5000+ BE. Of course I'd factor price into that decision. Right now overclocking looks rather grim for Phenom.

mythy
11-19-07, 12:33 PM
but... but.. they have there fancy new software!!!! :p That alone makes all there scores double!

Blacklash
11-19-07, 12:49 PM
Well they are soon going to have to contend with Intel chips that do 4.4-4.5GHz.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/596/11/

As we all know, you need not buy an extreme processor to get into its overclocking range.

Redeemed
11-19-07, 01:45 PM
Honestly, I don't think you guys have a clue how competitive these can be if priced right. If a quad-core Phenom at 2.5Ghz is capable of competing with the A64 x2 6000 for the most part, priced right these could be just what AMD needs.

Remember, pricing is actually very key to how well these will succeed or not. Currently, we have no seriously solid reviews as these really are not available yet. Wait till actual release and understand that more than likely these wont be Core2 killers from a pure performance stand-point. But if sold for the right price they should stand a very good chance of putting some dents in Intel's market share.

AMD has already infiltrated the OEM market quite well. Practicaly every major OEM sells systems with AMD processors. If AMD can price these right, I'm sure major OEMs like DELL, Compaq, HP, Gateway, ACER, Toshiba, even ZT Cisnet will continue to offer rigs with AMD processors.

I don't know how frequently I've stated this, but like it or not AMD is probably going to step back from the high-end segment, so stop expecting them to retake the performance lead over-night.

And of course they're gonna' hype their product as if it were the best thing since sliced bread- what manufacturer wouldn't? It's called marketing. :p

Regardless, expect these to target the mainstream and low-end segments aggressively. If AMD can do that, then they're set. If they can't, then they just might have some problems...

CaptNKILL
11-19-07, 01:57 PM
Honestly, I don't think you guys have a clue how competitive these can be if priced right. If a quad-core Phenom at 2.5Ghz is capable of competing with the A64 x2 6000 for the most part, priced right these could be just what AMD needs.

I don't see how thats a good thing. A 2.4Ghz Phenom costs over $300 right now. If it just barely competes with a $160 Athlon X2, then there is no way it will compete with any of Intel's offerings.

I think these CPUs are OK, but they aren't going change much for AMD. They are already doing fairly well with OEMs from what I can tell. Most low-mid range systems are AMD based these days. Assuming they can put some of these out at decent prices, they will be in the same position. Right now, they are overpriced and under performing.

There isn't any way they will compete with Penryn though in the enthusiast market if they can't even compete with current Intel CPUs.

Thats pretty much all anyone is saying here.

They don't seem too bad at all in gaming, but the lack of overclocking head room is going to push most enthusiasts away.

nekrosoft13
11-19-07, 02:04 PM
Wow, they're already out?

http://www.google.com/products?q=amd+phenom&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd

Same price as Q6600 basically...

haha

http://www.directron.com/hd9700xagdbox.html

335 for 2.4ghz amd quad that is getting butchered by 2.4ghz intel quad for 270.

you would have to be an idiot to buy that amd

CaptNKILL
11-19-07, 02:08 PM
haha

http://www.directron.com/hd9700xagdbox.html

335 for 2.4ghz amd quad that is getting butchered by 2.4ghz intel quad for 270.

you would have to be an idiot to buy that amd
About the only thing they have going for them is the possibility of quad GPUs with whatever that new chipset is.

No doubt nvidia will counter that before too long though.

Mr_LoL
11-19-07, 02:27 PM
Looks like they will have to cut prices again thereby squeezing profit margins. 2.4ghz Amd quad cpu should be around $210 tbh. Things aren't looking good for them at all. They need that new ceo and probably investment fast.

hell_of_doom227
11-19-07, 02:49 PM
Hopefully they will get out of this. As I said the only good thing here is that the upgrade for the AMD users to quad core setup is going to be easy. I guess a new quad CPU with HT2.0 performs even slower. If you have to pick between q6600 for $250-279 and 2.6 AMD Quad processor, well you don't have to have a brain.

Also it all depends how much Intel is going to be aggressive with pricing. I have a feeling that Intel will give them some space in mid-range market since it's not in Intel's interest to see AMD go down, unless they have a plan to buy them one day.

Right now nothing can beat q6600 for $250-279 which also overclocks well, easy to 3.0 on air cooling, so do the math.

hell_of_doom227
11-19-07, 02:50 PM
haha

http://www.directron.com/hd9700xagdbox.html

335 for 2.4ghz amd quad that is getting butchered by 2.4ghz intel quad for 270.

you would have to be an idiot to buy that amd

How is AMD going to make a money by selling their top quads for less then $250? :rolleyes:

Redeemed
11-19-07, 02:52 PM
I don't see how thats a good thing. A 2.4Ghz Phenom costs over $300 right now. If it just barely competes with a $160 Athlon X2, then there is no way it will compete with any of Intel's offerings.

I think these CPUs are OK, but they aren't going change much for AMD. They are already doing fairly well with OEMs from what I can tell. Most low-mid range systems are AMD based these days. Assuming they can put some of these out at decent prices, they will be in the same position. Right now, they are overpriced and under performing.

There isn't any way they will compete with Penryn though in the enthusiast market if they can't even compete with current Intel CPUs.

Thats pretty much all anyone is saying here.

They don't seem too bad at all in gaming, but the lack of overclocking head room is going to push most enthusiasts away.

These are only the first batches though. The Core2s were pricey when first released as well, as was the 8800s, as were the 7800s, as were the A64s, as were...

I'm quite confident that the prices will take a considerable plunge before long. AMD isn't dumb, and if they can offer these for even comparable to the Q6600, I'm sure they'll sell quite a bit better. After all, if ran with an application that can utlise all four cores I'm sure these would be quite a bit faster than the X2 6000- which would be a good thing.

And I'm sure that AMD will eventually try and work atleast one of t heir quads down to the price-range of the 6000. And if in dual-core situations it can compete with the 6000, while pulling ahead in applications that utilise 4+ cores then that would be another bonus.

Again, pricing. If AMD doesn't offer solutions that are better than their current offering, for a decent price- they'll begin to lose their foothold in the OEM market. If they can price these right they'll do better in the OEM market.

But we must keep in mind that AMD already has a set amount of A64s that are needing to be cleared out in the OEM market-segment. Once that supply is dwindling I'm sure we'll see the Phenoms drop in price some to replace the A64s. I'm sure the same will happen to the retail segment as well.

buffbiff21
11-19-07, 02:54 PM
buffbiff21.... man read more reviews before you judge AMD is no where near caught up. This may be another nail in the coffin :(
Clock for clock anyway :p

[H]'s review is not good either..
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQyMiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

ZOMG they have nTune! aMdTune! And it even contains a car analogy!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_q_9a4zDps