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Kain
04-18-03, 12:18 PM
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3GHz (800MHz system bus)
Motherboard: Asus P4C800 Deluxe
RAM: 2x 512MB Corsair XMS3500
Hard drive: Western Digital WD1200JB
CD/DVD-ROM: Toshiba SD-M1712 (16X/48X)
CD-ReWriter: LiteOn 52X/32X/52X
Graphics card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
Sound card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2
Monitor: Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SB
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 Digital Dream System
Keyboard: Logitech Elite Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech MX 500 Optical Mouse
Power supply: Antec TruePower 550
Case: PC Power & Cooling Aluminum Mid-Tower

How much would this PC cost?

Harnagel
04-18-03, 01:50 PM
By doing a quick look at newegg.com it seems that it comes close to $2000 without the video card. I don't think the 256MB 9800Pro is availlable yet, but it will be $500+ when it is, judging from the fact that the Saphire 128MB is $415. Which, btw, is currently in stock...

Smokey
04-18-03, 02:17 PM
Its going to cost alot, and if this is purely for a gaming machine, as I have been advised 1GB of ram is over kill, 768b max is all you need ;)

Best checking the prices in early May as the Barton cpus should be coming down in price, or maybe look at geting the 2800+ !!

Harnagel
04-18-03, 02:40 PM
[i]maybe look at geting the 2800+ !! [/B]

seriously, almost the same speed and much cheaper. If you really don't care about prices why not wait till next week and stick an opteron on it? jk...

Kain
04-18-03, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Harnagel
By doing a quick look at newegg.com it seems that it comes close to $2000 without the video card. I don't think the 256MB 9800Pro is availlable yet, but it will be $500+ when it is, judging from the fact that the Saphire 128MB is $415. Which, btw, is currently in stock... $2,000 without graphics card? Then that would make it around $2,500 with graphics card, right?

If so, that seems like a good price to me for that PC.

Kain
04-18-03, 02:58 PM
By the way, that $2,000 you said, does it include monitor and speakers?

Shortass.
04-18-03, 03:01 PM
Oh my sweet Jesus, that's like 3 times the cost of the computer I'll most likely be getting! It's costly, but I'm sure it'll be sweet. Of course, what games or programs actually need all of that space or graphics? I'd downgrade to an 80gb hard drive, 120 seems a bit much. :/

Sazar
04-18-03, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Kain
By the way, that $2,000 you said, does it include monitor and speakers?


tack on prices for software if you don't have it already...

Kain
04-18-03, 03:38 PM
Okay, I updated the specs. I changed the 120GB to 80GB.

Kain
04-18-03, 03:39 PM
By the way, which brand of RAM is best?

omghi2u
04-18-03, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Kain
By the way, which brand of RAM is best? Do you plan on OC'ing? If not than any cheap brand would be good.

Kain
04-18-03, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by omghi2u
Do you plan on OC'ing? If not than any cheap brand would be good. Yes, I probably will be overclocking.

Is Crucial good? Mushkin? Kingston?

Kain
04-18-03, 03:54 PM
By the way, what kind of RAM will I need? DDR PC3200, DDR PC2700, or DDR PC2100?

What exactly is the difference between these three?

Shortass.
04-18-03, 04:10 PM
The higher number the better, pretty much. PC3500 clocks at 433mhz, 3200 is at 400hmz, and so on.

Smokey
04-18-03, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by omghi2u
Do you plan on OC'ing? If not than any cheap brand would be good.

Lesson here to be learnt ;) Never ever buy cheap ram, if price is a problem, go with a brand name at a slower speed if need be. There is too much bad ram around these days, and it wont last you very long, or will just end up giving you head aches :p

There are some main brands to stick to;

Corsair, OCZ (with a Z not an S), Muskin, Geil, Cruical (good cheaper memory) Kingston.

As has been said,
Pc2100=266 PC2700=333 PC3200=400 PC3500=434 PC3700=??

I myself am going to buy Corsair XMS3500
which is up there as the best, most people will stand by Corsair more than any other brand when it comes to memory I have found :)

dohcmark8
04-18-03, 05:00 PM
Ram: Kingston HyperX (Same quality, and timings as XMS, just cheaper)

HD: Seagate Barracuda (If you value your date, the Seagate has the best reliability out of any HD on the market)

Mobo: Asus A7N8X or Abit NF7-S

Video: ATi Radeon 9800 Pro OR 9700 Pro AIW

CD/DVD: Lite On

Monitor: Viewsonic P95f+ OR NEC FE991

KB and mouse: Logitech MX700 Mouse & Logitech Internet Keyboard

Sound Card: If using digital speakers use Nforce2 APU

Harnagel
04-18-03, 05:55 PM
I had figured a Sony E540 Monitor.

a very nice 21" monitor imho.

Smokey
04-18-03, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Harnagel
I had figured a Sony E540 Monitor.

a very nice 21" monitor imho.


Never over look the beauty that is Iiyama when buying a CRT monitor
;)

Smokey
04-18-03, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by dohcmark8
Ram: Kingston HyperX (Same quality, and timings as XMS, just cheaper)


I wouldnt say that they are the same quality and timings, Im not saying that its not good, but its not the same, just check some other forums and speeds and timings on both, and some reviews.



AMDMB (http://www.amdmb.com)
ForumOC (http://www.forumoc.com)

check the forums at the sites above if you want further feedback on memory and first hand info!

Kain
04-19-03, 01:35 AM
Okay, I made some further updates in the specs of the PC. I updated RAM and motherboard.

LORD-eX-Bu
04-19-03, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Smokey
Lesson here to be learnt ;) Never ever buy cheap ram, if price is a problem, go with a brand name at a slower speed if need be. There is too much bad ram around these days, and it wont last you very long, or will just end up giving you head aches :p

There are some main brands to stick to;

Corsair, OCZ (with a Z not an S), Muskin, Geil, Cruical (good cheaper memory) Kingston.

As has been said,
Pc2100=266 PC2700=333 PC3200=400 PC3500=434 PC3700=??

I myself am going to buy Corsair XMS3500
which is up there as the best, most people will stand by Corsair more than any other brand when it comes to memory I have found :)

not so, I went on pricewatch and bought me another stick of 512MB PC3200 but I made sure it had winbond chips. Costs like $70 and no problems. The mem I've been using in this rig before is the same memory, no problems there either:D

Make sure it has either good samsung chips or winbond chips, otherwise it ain't worth it. Personally, I like winbond based memory better;)

LORD-eX-Bu
04-19-03, 01:46 AM
Kain, ain't ya like rich or something? If so, send me some of that sweet mooonaahh:lol:

Kain
04-19-03, 01:50 AM
Okay, I just got back from the Mushkin website.

Their PC3200 DDR-SDRAM has a CAS timing of 2-2-2. But their PC3500 DDR-SDRAM has a CAS timing of 2.5-4-4.

So, one has a faster bus speed, but slower timings, the other has a slower bus speed but faster timings. Which is better?

LORD-eX-Bu
04-19-03, 01:56 AM
its a tradeoff, if you want good memory with low latency I'd stick to PC3200, at the most PC3500. With that A7n8x you would be running dual channel, so really, you wouldn't need that PC3700, and seeing how some of this ram(good brands) overclock very well you could probably get it to the speeds you want. err.. I think geil (http://www.geilusa.com/products.asp) is great for that type of stuff:D

err... don't go to geil.com, I already made that mistake:wtf: :argh:

Kain
04-19-03, 02:04 AM
Thanks.

So, how does Mushkin PC3200 DDR-SDRAM (which has a CAS timing of 2), compare to Crucial PC3200 DDR-SDRAM (which has a CAS timing of 3), and Kingston HyperX PC3200 DDR-SDRAM (which has a CAS timing of 2)?