NV40 will give Nvidia performance lead by year end

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by mikechai
I think he meant GF3 Ti 200.

Whoops my oversight, im tired its 2:20am here sorry : (

But still, the Gf3 Ti200 will kill the fx5200.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Solomon
The day I believe anything coming from that site is when I live on the Moon and we all know when that will happened! LOL..

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com

hmm, you'll believe the Inquirer in 2016 then? :D

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Whoops my oversight, im tired its 2:20am here sorry : (

But still, the Gf3 Ti200 will kill the fx5200.

Uhm, won't it kill the fx5600 but lose to the fx5200? I'm STILL confused about which is which.... :confused:

[Paul]

Low end FX: 5200, 5200 Ultra
Mainstream FX: 5600, 5600 Ultra
High end FX: 5800, 5800 Ultra

The lowest performance/cost solution is the 5200 FX, and the highest performance/cost solution is the 5800 Ultra.

I hope that's cleared it up.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Paul
Low end FX: 5200, 5200 Ultra
Mainstream FX: 5600, 5600 Ultra
High end FX: 5800, 5800 Ultra

The lowest performance/cost solution is the 5200 FX, and the highest performance/cost solution is the 5800 Ultra.

I hope that's cleared it up.

Thanks. For some reason I kept thinking they sneaky swapped the 5200 & 5600 nomenclature around so that they're cheapy card sounded even better. :rolleyes: (Yes, I trust nVidia about as far as I can comfortably spit a wet rat right now.... :bleh: )

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Paul
Low end FX: 5200, 5200 Ultra
Mainstream FX: 5600, 5600 Ultra
High end FX: 5800, 5800 Ultra

The lowest performance/cost solution is the 5200 FX, and the highest performance/cost solution is the 5800 Ultra.

I hope that's cleared it up.

E-Machines OEM FX Ripoff Card: 5200, 5200 Ultra
GF4MX Part II: 5600, 5600 Ultra
Retail? Yeah Right: 5800, 5800 Ultra

:barf:


:angel:

[MuFu]

Originally posted by Paul
Not this year :)

Well it'll be announced this year (late November). I just doubt it'll be available in large quantities by year's end. That might be their intention... I just can't see it happening.

Would be very nice to be proved wrong though. :D

MuFu.

[Paul]

I can't see it appearing at all this year in any quantity. A paper launch at the ass-end of the year is the best you're going to get imho, especially since most of the major activity isn't scheduled until late summer time.

Having said that, they could get a real jump on the R420 if they can stay on schedule. Should prove interesting.

[Dazz]

I very much doubt it this year not even to me announced maybe March next year 'if' they stay on target.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by Dazz
I very much doubt it this year not even to me announced maybe March next year 'if' they stay on target.

Currently, nVidia's plan is to announce it at Comdex AFAIK. Of course, my sources on that are the same as MuFu's - but trust me, that source is generally very reliable.


Uttar

[digitalwanderer]

...it might not be quite as silly/impossible for the NV40 to be out this year after all.

It would explain why the 9800 Pro was released with such a low clock speed, ATI could be holding back to unleash a 9900 Pro manifestation of the card with some higher speed memory and the GPU clock maxxed out? :eek2:

It WOULD explain that silly move, at least to me.

[Paul]

There is a 9900 coming, but it's not quite what you describe. What you describe is coming sooner, and is essentially just a 9800 with DDR2 and higher clock speeds. The 9900 (if that's what they end up calling it) is coming in the fall, and is (in part) what the R400 was offering. But it isn't strictly the R400 - That's mainly become the R420. But neither are exactly what the R400 would have been.

Simple huh? :angel:

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Paul
There is a 9900 coming, but it's not quite what you describe. What you describe is coming sooner, and is essentially just a 9800 with DDR2 and higher clock speeds. The 9900 (if that's what they end up calling it) is coming in the fall, and is (in part) what the R400 was offering. But it isn't strictly the R400 - That's mainly become the R420. But neither are exactly what the R400 would have been.

Simple huh? :angel:

Hehehe He said R420 Hehehehe

:super:

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Paul
There is a 9900 coming, but it's not quite what you describe. What you describe is coming sooner, and is essentially just a 9800 with DDR2 and higher clock speeds. The 9900 (if that's what they end up calling it) is coming in the fall, and is (in part) what the R400 was offering. But it isn't strictly the R400 - That's mainly become the R420. But neither are exactly what the R400 would have been.

Simple huh? :angel:

Yeah, it makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, I haven't kept up as much with what's coming down the pike from either of 'em since recently upgrading to a GF4...it'll keep me happy for a while yet. :)

Two things:

1. I had a feeling they were going to be putting out a refurbed 9800 with some better memory, that card is just SCREAMING to be paired with some higher clockable memory!

2. If ANYONE puts out a "420" series card I am buying it regardless of wether it's a dog or a god...it'd just be too much a part of geek lore. (And WAY too me! :p )

[Paul]

Am i missing the significance of 420?

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
[B]1. I had a feeling they were going to be putting out a refurbed 9800 with some better memory, that card is just SCREAMING to be paired with some higher clockable memory!

I do notice that i get a bigger 3dmark03 score per mhz in memory OC than core. But it tops out very quickly on my board.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Paul
Am i missing the significance of 420?

I'm using it in the "Deadhead tea time" manner in which I first learned of it many, many, MANY moons ago.... ;)

Yeah Glow, I was just basing my guess on Hellbinders comments/righteous rant over the low 9800 clockspeeds and putting 2 and 2 together. ;)

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Paul
Am i missing the significance of 420?

Here is a good spot on it:

http://420-heaven.com/420newspg.htm

Edit: Do a search for "420" on that page. :retard:

:smoking2:

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Spotch
Here is a good spot on it:

http://420-heaven.com/420newspg.htm

:smoking2:

Sweet heavens man, the guy asked for an explanation not a freaking neo-political discussion! :eek:

Here's the bit in that HUGE page I think he was refering to:

High Holy Day for Potheads
Posted by FoM on April 20, 2002 at 08:02:22 PT
By Farhad Manjoo
Source: Wired Magazine /cannabis news

April has two days when many Americans, en masse, engage in something that's plainly illegal but is, they swear, OK to do anyway because everyone does it and it doesn't hurt a soul and it makes you feel just so very happy.
The first of these days has already passed: April 15, tax day, when millions of Americans, according to the latest research, fail to pay billions in taxes. The other day is April 20 -- Saturday -- a day when thousands, if not millions, will "mow the grass."

That's a polite way of saying that these folks get baked, blitzed, paggered, blazed, obliterated, perved, shmacked ... in other words, they get high, as 4/20 is recognized by many as "national smokers day."

The term "420" and its attendant traditions date back to the 1970s, but at least some evidence exists -- enough to convince any stoner, at least -- that the term has experienced something of a resurgence in our electronic times.

On message boards and community sites across the Web, it's possible to find people who are "420 friendly," meaning that they'd love to meet you and smoke your dope.

And for such people, 4/20 is the recognized day to get your smoke on. And especially at 4:20 a.m. or p.m. on 4/20, and especially while listening to Phish. This year, dozens of celebrations are planned across the globe.

In San Francisco, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, NORML, will finish up its two-day conference "celebrating personal freedom."

"Once again we have scheduled the conference to coincide with '4/20,' that date that has become associated in the popular culture as a special day for marijuana smokers -- sort of what 'It's Miller time' has become to beer drinkers," the group said on its site. "We hope to build on that tradition and encourage supporters from across the country to join us in San Francisco as a way to celebrate 4/20."

The event comes after a week of attention focused on NORML, which spent half a million dollars to run ads (PDF) in New York City asking Mayor Michael Bloomberg to fine and ticket -- rather than arrest -- people caught smoking marijuana in the street. The ads feature Bloomberg's response to a New York magazine reporter's query about whether he'd ever used marijuana. The mayor said, "You bet I did. And I enjoyed it."

Given the nature of the celebration, of course, not all of the scheduled events are so political. Most, it seems, are music festivals that might have been going on anyway, but which promise to have some added pep in honor of the day.

The Web is rife with speculation regarding the origin of the term "420." An old yarn has it that 420 was a California police code cops used when they'd spotted someone getting high, and that drug users co-opted the word. Some think it has to do with Hitler's birthday, April 20th -- which is, not entirely coincidentally, also the day in 1999 that Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people, and themselves, at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

But the consensus opinion has come to rest on a theory put forth by Steven Hager, the editor of High Times, in the magazine in 1998. Hager told the story of the Waldos, a group of San Rafael High School kids who gave Hager evidence -- letters, and so on -- to show they had created the term 420.

This is how the term began, according to Hager's article: "One day, while (the Waldos) were sitting on the wall, a friend gave them a treasure map to a pot patch on nearby Point Reyes Peninsula. 'His brother grew the patch,' said Steve (one of the Waldos).

"The Waldos decided to meet after school and pick the patch. Since school got out at 3:10, and since some of the Waldos had after-school activities that lasted approximately one hour, someone decided they should meet at exactly 4:20 p.m., at the statue of Louis Pasteur, which was located near the entrance to the school parking lot."

After that, the Waldos -- who have their own site at Waldo420.com -- naturally began using 420 as shorthand for cannabis. The Waldos were big fans of the Grateful Dead, and, as Hager explains in his article, "the 420 expression leaked into the Deadhead community and spread from there."

In an e-mail message, Hager said that the Internet further aided the spread of the term, as "Deadheads were the first big group of Internet users."

Asked what he would be doing to celebrate this year's 4/20, Hager wrote that he will be "in Magic Meadow, near the top of Overlook Mountain, which is just above Woodstock, New York."

And what will people do after 4/20, when pot day is over? They'll smoke more, according to one post on the Bay Area Community site, Craigslist.

"A bunch of 420 worshipers who didn't get enough on 4/20 are meeting at Raleigh's in Berkeley on Telegraph (Avenue at) 5:30 on Sunday," it said. "Come burn in summer with us."



I learned of the tradition in Alpine Valley Wisconsin at a 4-day weekend with the Dead around '86-'87. (The mid to late 80s early nineties are a bit blurry to me.... :eek2: )

[Paul]

:) Thanks for the heads up.

[Spotch]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Sweet heavens man, the guy asked for an explanation not a freaking neo-political discussion! :eek:

Here's the bit in that HUGE page I think he was refering to:



I learned of the tradition in Alpine Valley Wisconsin at a 4-day weekend with the Dead around '86-'87. (The mid to late 80s early nineties are a bit blurry to me.... :eek2: )

Hey I seem to have that same blurr for the late 70's to mid 80's...


Maybe we could get together for a 420 and fill in the missing years for each other. :cool2:

[MuFu]

http://muthafunker.homestead.com/files/Miscmessageboard/Smilies/stoned.gif

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Spotch
Maybe we could get together for a 420 and fill in the missing years for each other. :cool2:

That depends if the "missing years" reference is a John Prine one or not... ;)

[Spotch]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
That depends if the "missing years" reference is a John Prine one or not... ;)

Not likely...

[MuFu]

BTW, "R420" is just something Hellbinder mentioned on Beyond3D. Not sure whether that makes it more or less reliable (lol) but such a part (i.e. R400: take 2) may exist.

MuFu.