so where is the highend GeForce 9 GPU (not GX2) ?

[walterman]

The good news is... If you just upgraded, you wont have to spend money in a little while.

Or if you upgraded to a 8800GTX 1.5y ago :)

... Memory interface is 256bit ...
That must be wrong. If not that's the biggest downgrade ever !

[MUYA]

x-bit labs have said that G92 fr 8800 GT are A2 revisions with some features disabled.

now 9XXX G92s are A3 revisions with them extra features enabled but no one knows what these features are.

But, the percentage drop from using AA on A3's is less than A2's suggesting new improved ROPs or maybe better drivers? We will see.

[walterman]

As i remember, the G92 has 16 ROPs, while the G80 has 24 ROPs.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13479
Another area where the GeForce 8800 GT may be sporting a bit of trimmed down G92 functionality is in the ROP partitions. These sexy little units are responsible for turning fully processed and shaded fragments into full-blown pixels. They also provide much of the chip's antialiasing grunt, and in Nvidia's GeForce 8 architecture, each ROP has a 64-bit interface to video memory. The G80 packs six ROP partitions, which is why the full-blown GeForce 8800 GTX has a 384-bit path to memory and the sawed-off 8800 GTS (with five ROP partitions) has a 320-bit memory interface. We don't know how many ROP partitions the G92 has lurking inside, but the 8800 GT uses only four of them. As a result, it has a 256-bit memory interface, can output a maximum of 16 finished pixels per clock, and has somewhat less antialiasing grunt on a clock-for-clock basis.

[slaWter]

Interesting info walterman!

[sytaylor]

x-bit labs have said that G92 fr 8800 GT are A2 revisions with some features disabled.

now 9XXX G92s are A3 revisions with them extra features enabled but no one knows what these features are.

But, the percentage drop from using AA on A3's is less than A2's suggesting new improved ROPs or maybe better drivers? We will see.

That's not really a new product though, its just a finished product.

[MUYA]

That's not really a new product though, its just a finished product.
Take it any way you want, if it offers better performance than the 8XXX series I shouldn't think there would be any complaints.

[killahsin]

and i am almost positive considering the deep look into the 9600 gt performance that the single slot high end solution is going to have much better performance then the 8xxx one.

[rhink]

But, the percentage drop from using AA on A3's is less than A2's suggesting new improved ROPs or maybe better drivers? We will see.

That could be because they have the same memory bandwidth, and turning up AA makes you primarily bandwidth limited. It might not be due to architectural differences in the chip.

[walterman]

SSAA does a heavy use of the ROPs. It's the part of the chip where the fragments are combined to form the pixels. Usually it's also the part of the chip that limits the overclocking ability of the G80 based cards. Having less units makes overclocking more feasible, but you're killing your peak AA performance.

It's great to have cheap & fast gfx cards, but nVidia hasn't launched yet anything on par with the performance level that the 8800GTX offered 1.5y ago over the rest of cards.

[slaWter]

It's great to have cheap & fast gfx cards, but nVidia hasn't launched yet anything on par with the performance level that the 8800GTX offered 1.5y ago over the rest of cards.

The GX2 will do that finally. That's why I'll give the GX2 a shot.

[MUYA]

That could be because they have the same memory bandwidth, and turning up AA makes you primarily bandwidth limited. It might not be due to architectural differences in the chip.
The 9600 GTs have the same count ROPs as the 8800 GT and for the most part are clocked the same at I think 900MHz or 1.8 GHZ DDR.

Therefore, that sort of hints there is something different.

[rhink]

The 9600 GTs have the same count ROPs as the 8800 GT and for the most part are clocked the same at I think 900MHz or 1.8 GHZ DDR.

Therefore, that sort of hints there is something different.

Ahh, you're right, for some reason I was under the impression it has a little less ROP power. Looks like it actually has a little bit more.... 16 @ 650 mhz, the 8800 GT is 16 @ 600. That might explain some of the difference. However I'm still not convinced it's not something simple. Has this been verified by tests that focus on fillrate alone? The 8800 GT has a heck of a lot more shader power, so if turning on AA just moves the bottleneck from shaders to memory I/O, it might mean that when the memory bottleneck is removed, the 8800 just has a lot more headroom and turning on AA just levels the playing field due to similar bandwidth.

[hell_of_doom227]

Either way if you have SLI 8800GTX or SLI 8800Ultra or single card 8800GTX or 8800Ultra stick with it cause the whole 9series is not worth any upgrade.

[nekrosoft13]

sure 9 series won't have anything to offer, i guess you must have missed this

http://www.techarp.com/article/Desktop_GPU_Comparison/nvidia_4_big.png

look at the last card on bottom

[mojoman0]

wowzers if thats legit

[ahheadlock]

so the new 9800gtx is going to be faster than the 9800 GX2?

[mullet]

512bit & DDR4 nice. (nana2)

[ViN86]

any chance of 6-way SLi? :D

512bit & DDR4 nice. (nana2)
holy ****.

[qube]

il believe it when i see it :cool:

[walterman]

9800GTX 3Dmark06 score here, don’t be too excited

http://en.expreview.com/?p=280

As expected, here is the card’s 3Dmark06 performance. Nothing special, score just around 14K, not those Über high scores. But considering 9600GT SLI scaling to a new height, maybe 9800GTX is also good at SLI or 3-way SLI

You can see the specs in the GPU-Z info. Faster core/shader clocks, 2/3 of the bandwidth & 1.5y later. :thumbdwn:

[Buckeye]

Just wait until they get the drivers all sorted out :D

[slaWter]

sure 9 series won't have anything to offer, i guess you must have missed this

http://www.techarp.com/article/Desktop_GPU_Comparison/nvidia_4_big.png

look at the last card on bottom

That card won't be the 9800GTX though. The 9800GTX will still be G92 based.