so where is the highend GeForce 9 GPU (not GX2) ?

[AirRaid]

if I try to give a name for the GPU, everyone will end up getting confused with G90 / D9E / GF 9800 (not 9800 GX2) / GeForce 9.

what I am talking about is not the new card coming out that's based on G80/G92/8800 technology, the 9800 GX2 which uses 2 GPUs, but Nvidia's refresh of the G80 / 8800 architecture that's was reported (http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/230) last year to provide close to 1 TFLOP performance, and 3x the performance of G80/8800 (and 3x G92 even though it was thought to be called G92 at the time), where the heck is it? is Nvidia saving it until AMD launches R700 ? or will Nvidia just go to a totally new architecture next year (G100) that has nothing to do with the G80.

the G80, the basis for the recent G92 GPU and the upcoming 9800 GX2 card is approaching 1.5 years old. actually older because it's been on the market almost 1.5 years but was probably finished long before that. it had been in development 4 years as of its release in fall 2006, thus, was in development in 2002 when Nvidia was paper-launching the NV30 / GeForce FX.

I realize that with weaker competition, Nvidia gets to stretch things out, milk them for all they're worth. that's the nature of, a lack of strong competition at the highend. Damn, I wish AMD would get the R700 out already, forcing Nvidia to release the real GeForce 9, as well as move up the timetable for Nvidia's next totally new architecture (G100 or whatever name they use for it).

[a12ctic]

Maybe the 9 series will be a simular refresh to the 2x-3x series that AMD just made?

[walterman]

I think that they've no competition, so, they're holding their secret weapons.

They had more than enough time to create a new chip with a new architecture & not a shrink.

[AirRaid]

Nvidia has had enough time to do a refresh (ala NV47/G70 from NV40)
but not a completely new architecture.

[Madpistol]

Their new chip should have already been out now. AMD isn't pushing them, so they're keeping their products about 5% ahead of AMD to keep marketshare. My guess is that if AMD came out with a killer video card tomorrow, Nvidia would counter with something equally as epic next week... it's all a timing game.

[Lfctony]

The same roadmap talking about the 9800GX2 says about the 9800GTX as well.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ0MCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

GeForce 8800 Ultra will be replaced by the GeForce 9800 GX2 in February / March timeframe. More information and pictures are here.


The GeForce 8800 GTX will be replaced by the GeForce 9800 GTX in February / March timeframe. This card will support Tri-SLI.


The GeForce 9800 GT should appear in the March / April timeframe. We have limited information on this card currently.

[Amuro]

Maybe someone got mixed up with the names. It's actually 8900 GX2. :)

[g-a-m-e]

The GeForce 8800 GTX will be replaced by the GeForce 9800 GTX in February / March timeframe. This card will support Tri-SLI.

This of course is utter b^ll**** .

What is this 9800 GTX ? If there even was one, would there not at least be some info on it by now ?

Also they are saying they are releasing the GX2 and the GTX at the same time ?

I seriously doubt it .

[DRen72]

If the GX2 is looking like it will be 30% faster than the 8800 Ultra, then I'm guessing the 9800 GTX will be no more than 20% faster, if that.

[XDanger]

The june release is just another g80 die shrink (55nm)

As far as I can see theres no information on a new GPU from nvidia but if this is the mid then they MUST have a high end up their sleeves.

I reckon 2x65nm g92's wont perform as well as whatever they put in an ATI X2 looking at sli vs cf in the single gpu cards
and judging from the price of an 8800gt vs a HD 3870 the nvidia product will be more expensive.

[SeriTonin]

This is what happens when you have no competition - you get to dictate. I think the days of new gpu's every year are gone, especially since the line between console and pc blurs and most games that are ported over already have enough horse power on pc.

They have to slow down and make smaller refreshes or they'll eventually run out of, "the next big thing".

[InqWoN1776]

NV40--> G70 April 2004 to June 2005 = 14 months give or take
In that timeframe there weren't any refreshes.

G70 --> G80 June 2005 to November 2006 = 17 months give or take
However, the 7900's were released to refresh the 78's. Some people say the G80 was the first completely new architecture since the FX series but let's just say the 6 series.
NV40 --> G80 31 months give or take.
NV30 --> G80 4 yrs or 48 months.

G80 --> G92E November 2006 to Feb/Mar. 2008 = 15/16 months
So, there's like a 1/2 month disparity between this timeframe and the NV40 to G70 timeframe. Not too bad if you ask me. Does anyone think the G100 is going to be a completely new architecture?

[walterman]

I think it won't be a full new design, like the G80 has been to the previous series.

The NV40 was also a new design at the time.

Basically, the G7x is a wider NV40, with several tweaks to the PS units. They added 2 mini ALUs that allowed each PS unit to output 2 MADDs per clock, if i remember.

I think that this time they will reuse the G80 design & will try to make it wider or able to do more operations per clock.

[Amuro]

The june release is just another g80 die shrink (55nm)

As far as I can see theres no information on a new GPU from nvidia but if this is the mid then they MUST have a high end up their sleeves.

I reckon 2x65nm g92's wont perform as well as whatever they put in an ATI X2 looking at sli vs cf in the single gpu cards
and judging from the price of an 8800gt vs a HD 3870 the nvidia product will be more expensive.
Well they do have a mainstream 9600GT that's going to be as or nearly as fast as the 8800GT and requires a 400W PSU.

[AirRaid]

NV40--> G70 April 2004 to June 2005 = 14 months give or take
In that timeframe there weren't any refreshes.

G70 --> G80 June 2005 to November 2006 = 17 months give or take
However, the 7900's were released to refresh the 78's. Some people say the G80 was the first completely new architecture since the FX series but let's just say the 6 series.
NV40 --> G80 31 months give or take.
NV30 --> G80 4 yrs or 48 months.

G80 --> G92E November 2006 to Feb/Mar. 2008 = 15/16 months
So, there's like a 1/2 month disparity between this timeframe and the NV40 to G70 timeframe. Not too bad if you ask me. Does anyone think the G100 is going to be a completely new architecture?



When I say refresh, I mean a significantly upgraded/ beefed up version of the base architecture. i.e. NV47 / G70 is a refresh of the NV40.


The G71 / GF 7900 is just a respin / shrink of the G70 / GF 7800, not a refresh (in my book).


So far, all we've seen are respins / shrinks of G80.

The highend refresh of G80 (G90 or whatever) the one that's supposed to provide 3x G80s performance (about 1 TFLOP) is not meant to be a totally new architecture but a major overhaul of G80 and thus, a refresh.

Even though such a GPU would certainly be touted by Nvidia as the next generation architecture (as they did with NV47 / G70 / GF 7800 )

I don't expect Nvidia's next completely new architecture (NV60) until late 2009.


So far, all we have are respins of G80 ("NV50") and to make a new product, two of them on one card.

Still waiting for "NV55" (the "true" GeForce 9)

[Destroy]

Where the heck is the new card and it better be at least 1.5x as powerful as a 8800GTX Ultra.

[MUYA]

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=239912

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=239925

[Amuro]

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=239912

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=239925
Hmm, so my options are either 9800GX2 quad SLI, 9800GT Tri SLI, or 9800 GTX SLI. I intend to keep my sound card, so no GTX Tri SLI for me, unless they're all single slot cards.

[Supersnake]

(cut)...so no GTX Tri SLI for me, unless they're all single slot cards.

My very sentiments. I refuse to purchase any tri's, sli's, or "double cards", etc.
Am waiting for the next generation Ultra.

[MUYA]

And....now;

According to sources, 9800GTX is a product based on G92, coded as G92-420. Core/SP/Memory frequency rated at 675/1688/1100MHz. Memory interface is 256bit, equipped with 512MB 0.8ns DDR3. NV use a new designed layout, call P392. The product supports 3-Way SLI.

For your information, 9800GX2’s GPU is G92-450

The card will hit the market in the end of the market, according to Digitimes. Price still remains unknown.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=240374

[K007]

nice...good thing i am waiting out for the gf9 results :)..

[MUYA]

nice...good thing i am waiting out for the gf9 results :)..
I am inclined to wait too. Too many rumours, last week they said 768MB mem with 384 bit memory interface?? bah who knows these days...I just want the launch today :p

[Revs]

I find it hard to believe it would have 256 bit MI. I would expect 1Gb RAM with 512 bit MI. Maybe even a GDDR5 upgrade later in the year.

[ChaoticNick]

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_9800_GTX%3B_Fastest_G92_Card_w_128_SPs/5589.html

VR-Zone got hold of some specifications of the GeForce 9800 GTX (D9E-20) card and it is confirmed that it is G92-based with 128 stream processors. The clock speeds aren't finalized yet but there is a little note saying clocks are higher than G92GTS (obviously). The card has 512MB GDDR3 memories onboard and has two SLI connectors to support 3-way SLI. Lastly, it should be priced at around €399 range.

9800GTX= G92 based with 128 SP's
8800GTS 512 = G92 based with 128 SP's

clockspeeds supposedly higher, but really, how much is that gonna help?

I hope this is not true...

[sytaylor]

This is what happens when you have no competition - you get to dictate. I think the days of new gpu's every year are gone, especially since the line between console and pc blurs and most games that are ported over already have enough horse power on pc.

They have to slow down and make smaller refreshes or they'll eventually run out of, "the next big thing".

The good news is... If you just upgraded, you wont have to spend money in a little while.