Nvidia chips not the only ones in short supply....

[RobHague]

THE TWO BIGGEST names in the graphics industry have been so busy slugging it out that they seem to have missed something more important. For all the battles of the TMUs, neither company is managing to satisfy customer demand according to a report on DigiTimes.

While Nvidia's inability to supply reasonable quantities of the Geforce FX 5800 should be leaving the market open to the ATI 9700 and 9800 Pro cards, it seems the latter has downed too much celebratory beer to manage to step up to the plate. Conversely, while ATI can't manage to supply its top chips, Nvidia can't supply enough of its not-quite-as-fast-yet FX5800 to catch the slack and make a buck. What a sorry state of affairs.

The report suggests that ATI has been too busy selling its chips to big name OEMs like IBM, HP and Dell for it to supply enough to retail board manufacturers. Perhaps Nvidia has been too busy giving its FX 5800s to developers at EA to bother with customers

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9082

[digitalwanderer]

....is that so bad?

I kind of like the thought that it would be nice if at least SOMETHING slowed down the old upgrade cycle for me.... ;)

[RobHague]

No im quite glad, i also am in favor of the upgrade cycle being slowed down. Id rather buy into 'big leaps' every year or two than 2 or 3 small steps in clock/features every 4-6 months. :)

It's how i buy my current products, i always skip a generation.

TNT1 -> Geforce 256 -> Geforce3 -> GeforceFX

:) Seems to work well.

I actually broke the habbit of a life time with my CPU's this year.

i486 -> Pentium -> Celeron -> Pentium II -> Pentium III -> Athlon XP

See if you can spot the odd one out ;) hehe.

[SurfMonkey]

As per normal the inqwell nicked the story from another source namely digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/04/22&pages=04&seq=24).


ATI, Nvidia supply not meeting demand - ATI’s performance lead may not gain it market share
Charles Chou, Taipei; Christy Lee, DigiTimes.com [Tuesday 22 April 2003]


Taiwanese graphics card makers report that high-end graphics chips from Nvidia and ATI Technologies continue to be in short supply even as the market enters its slow season. In addition, the graphics chip designers are said to be prioritizing OEM orders.

Limited supply of Nvidia’s GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) and GeForce FX 5600 (NV31) series chips has pushed some demand to ATI, card makers said. However, a shortage of ATI’s Radeon 9700 and Radeon 9500 chips has been reported and output of its new-generation Radeon 9800 (R350) series has also failed to meet demand.

Sources said that with ATI shipping products first to OEM customers like IBM, NEC, Dell Computer and Hewlett-Packard (HP), its more own-brand-oriented add-in board (AIB) clients, such as Gigabyte Technology, CP Technology and Info-Tek Corporation (ITC) (selling under the brand name GigaCube), are able to obtain only 50% of the chips they ordered.

Despite ATI’s coming out on top in recent performance comparisons, the supply problem will likely cost it the opportunity to grab market share from Nvidia, card makers said.


Interesting but it seems a bit skewed to me. Isn't it easier and faster to increase your market share through OEMS than through AIBs??:confused:

[RobHague]

While we are on graphics cards/manufacturers did you guys also see this on HardOCP?

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDYz

Looks like bad times ahead for VisionTek.... arent they one of the manufacturers making 9800 PRO boards too? Ooopsy.

Hartford Computer Group, no doubt wanted to capitalize on the very successful VisionTek company name and Xtasy brand name as they could carry a very positive spin with buyers. Sadly, a lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division last week that mentions the VisionTek company name and Xtasy brand name multiple times.

Prior to the Offering, Nvidia shipped to VisionTek $6-8 million worth of defective Component Parts. Once VisionTek discovered the Component Parts were defective, it negotiated a resolution with NVIDIA. VisionTek and Nvidia agreed that VisionTek would receive a credit equal to the value of the defective Component Parts and that VisionTek would destroy the defective Component Parts.

At the time it made the agreement with Nvidia, VisionTek was starved for cash and under intense pressure to get its products quickly into the marketplace. VisionTek therefore decided to renege on its agreement with Nvidia. Rather than destroying the parts as promised, VisionTek, upon information and belief, built its graphic cards using the defective Component Parts and then fraudulently sold those cards to its customers.

[saturnotaku]

Hooboy, that's all kinds of not good. Maybe I should pick up that Visiontek 9800 Pro while I still have the chance. :p :D

[SurfMonkey]

You should also check out Visontek's response on their website. They seem to deny all responsibility for making boards with known defective parts and lay the blame with nvidia for shipping them in the first place.

Maybe that's why they've swapped over to ATI now, they're used to working with defective parts!! j/k ;)

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by SurfMonkey
Maybe that's why they've swapped over to ATI now, they're used to working with defective parts!! j/k ;)

:lol2:

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by SurfMonkey


Maybe that's why they've swapped over to ATI now, they're used to working with defective parts!! j/k ;)

He shoots he scores!:angel:

[Moose]

hmmm seems to me to be more of a problem for Nvidia.

ATI is out of chips because they are selling them faster than they can make them.


What's Nvidia's problem again????

:nutkick:

[RobHague]

What's Nvidia's problem again????

Urr they are selling them faster than they can make them.... ;)

[bkswaney]

Originally posted by RobHague
Urr they are selling them faster than they can make them.... ;)

This is true. Both ATI and Nvidia cannot keep up right now with demand.
Kinda funny. :)

I had a b!tch of a time getting a 5800 Ultra.
Tho I did get a good price. Most 5800U
cards are 440+.
Mine was 399. :angel:

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by bkswaney
This is true. Both ATI and Nvidia cannot keep up right now with demand.
Kinda funny. :)

Yeah, I guess it is sort of a chuckly...killed by their own success. :lol:

What I find amazing is that there are so many people out there ready to plop down $400 for a graphics card...I REALLY didn't think that many people would, I expected the majority to be much more cheapskate-ish like myself. ;)

[RobHague]

It was just coincidence this time that i had a wad of cash to upgrade my PC with (had a P3 1Ghz before christmas...) and i thought i would splash out on the Graphics Card this time instead of looking for the 'mid-ground'. I was looking to the 9700 at one point because people kept recommending it to me - but i did read a few horror stories about it and i also saw some driver issues and i just wasnt ready to dump Nvidia.

I had an Nforce2 board too and thought it would be a perfect match and i was swayed by the features of the GeforceFX (and the fact that i trust Nvidia implicitley). So i whacked down the cash for the FX. There was only £70 difference between the 9700 and FX (i was going to get the Hurc 9700 which was £300). :)

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by RobHague
Urr they are selling them faster than they can make them.... ;)

pwned:nutkick:

[RobHague]

Seems the 5800 'glut' is over down at komplett now.

Immediate: 50-99

for the 5800. :)

They have some Ultra's due in, in 2 days.

http://www.komplett.co.uk/