I quite WoW today

[Gorion]

I thought this was about quiteing wow?

[Gorion]

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[yuriz43]

People like you bother me. It is people like you who helped to create the whole welfare system and the abuse that came with it. People like you see people who can't do. People who are victims. We call people like you liberals. I detest this line of thought. I see people who can. I see people who are capable but for one reason or another, they are not. That is their choice. Very few people truly can't. The rest just don't try.



Sorry but you are espousing liberal ideas. You see things as people who cannot. I see things as people who can if we just get out of their way.

You talk to any financial adviser and they will tell you the same. If you live with in your means and put a little bit away each pay check you can make a good retirement for your self. You do not need to have both working. My personal experience is coupled with real knowledge of what it takes to run a house hold. My father was a credit manager for a major lumber company for years. He later was a small business owner for 22 years. He had us living with in our means and it worked with one parent working. It can work for anyone who is willing to put the time and effort in getting training or education to get a good job.

A few years ago 60 minutes had a piece on this topic. They took a look at a middle income house hold with both parents working and who had trouble paying bills. They went over their income and expenditures and found that it cost more for her to work than it did for her to stay home. She quit her job and they cut back on their spending. They got out of debt and started saving even though they made less as a household after she quit. The problem before was her job paid just a bit less than it took for her to be at her job. The same financial model can be used for anyone willing to save their money. If they are making so little that they cannot pay even the basics then they need to get a better job. It is as simple as that. The problem is are they willing to put forth the effort to get the training to get a better job.

You are plain wrong. Millions and millions of people have done it.

BTW, cry more about being called a liberal. :rolleyes: Remember it was you who came into this thread saying I had no clue. Now you want to cry because you are a lieral? :udawg:



You assume she is going to make the same amount the same as him. At those low wages the women is not going to make the same. You want to play with the numbers to support your position.



Seriously, where did this liberal bashing come from? Do you know how offensive that can sound to some people? Oh wait, you probably have never left your home town.

You seemed somewhat respectable in the beginning of the thread, and now I realize you are just some ignorant prick that watches Bill 'O Reily and Fox news all day.

[spirited1]

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One of those Ikea kittens you have to assemble yourself eh? I got a Springer Spaniel with four rear legs, I'm not going there again

[nVJoe]

Seriously, where did this liberal bashing come from? Do you know how offensive that can sound to some people? Oh wait, you probably have never left your home town.

You seemed somewhat respectable in the beginning of the thread, and now I realize you are just some ignorant prick that watches Bill 'O Reily and Fox news all day.
Liberals are the only people who complain about being called liberals. Also liberals are the only people who complain about being bashed. I bash liberalism because it deserves to be shown as the failed system that it is. Yes liberalism is a system.

[Son Goku]

i agree.. but i meant 2 new cars, with loans. 2 older cars changes everything

I wouldn't necessarily recommend people buy 2 old cars... And in this, people might need financing. I've been down that road before, and I've also been down the road of having to take the older car with 57,000 miles (when I got it) into the shop on an almost monthly basis. Now when the repair bills come to from several hundred, to $1,000 or so, only to need to return to the shop a month or 2 latter, for another expensive repair, it simply isn't worth it. I'm glad to have been rid of that one car.

[Son Goku]

What i like to do is what Buddha did, give up everything, go into a deep Tibetan jungle and acquire my Nirvana. nothing to worry about, but cant do that :( gotta take care of things.

Though, ironically, if one takes the tale, Prince Sidhartha, after going to live the life of an asthetic, had left. And beyond this, devised the doctrine of "the middle way"

http://buddhism.about.com/cs/theravada/a/MiddleWay.htm

During the six years between the Buddha leaving his home at the age of 29 and attaining enlightenment, at the age of 35, he tried a range of quasi-spiritual practices which he thought might be successful. Some of these included starving the body to such an extent that he became terribly emaciated.
After a while, however, he realized that this was not helping him to achieve his goal - he simply felt tired, anxious and in pain. He considered that there must be another way. And so, he started to eat again - much to the disgust of his fellow mendicants who thought he'd just 'gone soft' - and remembered a time in his youth when he had experienced a pleasurable meditative experience whilst watching the annual ploughing festival.

The Buddha taught what he referred to as 'the Middle Way, a path that led to enlightenment by avoiding the extremes of sensory self-indulgence and self-mortification.

Quite a humorous sutta tells of how two ascetics approach the Buddha and ask what their destiny will be in their next life. One of the ascetics spends his time acting like a dog, the other like an ox. Thus the ascetic who acts like a dog 'eats his food when it is thrown on the ground', whereas the ascetic who acts like an ox does ox-like things (the sutta doesn't explain what these might be!). By acting in this way, the two ascetics expect that they will be reborn in a higher realm, as gods perhaps, but the Buddha quickly disillusions them. The ascetic who acts like a dog will be reborn in the company of dogs or else hell; the ascetic who acts like an ox will be reborn in the company of oxen or else hell too!
Just as the Buddha argued against self-mortification as a practice that is beneficial to spiritual advancement, he also warned against indulgence in sensual pleasures.

If anything, after it was all said and done, tale would have it that Sidhartha went on to espouse "balanced living", rather then going to either extreme which he experienced as Prince Sidhartha, or latter on as an asthetic.

[Son Goku]

:lol2:

This thread is about to be ready for forum moving to the P&R forum :P

Ya know, this is where I'm really torn. I know what it is like for life to throw a curve ball. I also know what it's like for people to have to work 3 jobs for a family to survive (one of my sisters had to do this, as her deadbeat husband sat home all day, and did nothing). She then had to come home, after 3 shifts, clean up house, do all the shopping, raise the 4 kids, everything. I've seen the lives of some people (the family of the Navajoo girl my parents sponsored) who live on one of the Indian reservations here. And I don't just mean the tourist stops. When I came out to college here, to avoid hotel room charges the entire time between orientation and the dorm rooms opening, I lived with their family for a couple weeks, and saw the rather unspoaken side of it....

In the past 15 months, my father has had a stroke, now my mother has had medical problems, I was in school full time, and everything has gone down hill. I know from first hand experience, what bad can be... And not just financially, but hell my father can't take care of himself, my mother is thinking of moving in with my sister because she's having trouble medically, and my father (who needs 24/7 care) doesn't want to go. The doctor tried to explain to him, that in as much as he's lost too many of his mental and physical capacities following his stroke (he's like 82 years old now), if he's living on his own, he'll be reported to the state.

The thing is, if he is, he's likely to be deemed incompetent, the authorities come into the home, forceably remove him, and place him in a state run nursing home, then with no family around. He simply is not able to comprehend the severity of any of this.

Then in the midst of all this, and with both myself and my family struggling to get by, I run into all the pan handlers, all the beggers. It does't matter if it's in game, with people who have the same wellfare consciousness over some epix they want, which they'll replace in 2 lvls, or out of game with beggers and pan handlers in real life. And the worst part of it; most of these people aren't even appreciative if anyone does anything for them. Instead they come to demand and expect it, like it's their due, and everyone owes them. Don't catter to this, and some get belligerent, accusing one of being spoiled, or whatever? How so? These people have no idea what either myself, or my family has gone through, and what little I have, I didn't get from begging and demanding. I'm actually rather sick of it; and yet on the other hand also understand what hard times can be. I doubt some of these people have any sense of just some of the things that can happen in this world, bleh

But if that isn't bad enough; I have someone who I've considered to be one of my best friends, who wile remaining entirely cagey and cryptic to the point I can't recognize him, or even find anything comprehensible anymore; takes all of this personally, as if it's either all him, how I supposedly feel about him, or I don't even get it anymore. There's not even a possibility to just come out and tell him, because if/when Gilthanas has approached me since the time of that one alt I only remembered even existed some months after the fact; he insists on not letting me know it's him, as he also insists I must just somehow know as if by magic.

Hell, around that time, I had to save so much money, had to drop out of school then (save gas and money), that my days became so indestinguishable, that I all turned into one blur of sameness. Thing is, in the midst of all this, I couldn't even keep track of time anymore at this point; same as occurs with many in the far arctic circle, who have 6 months of darkness, till they can't even tell 1 day from the next. And yet, he assumes I just know the incomprehensible; and if I don't, it's because of him, not anything else.

And you know what? In the midst of all this, I'm sick of people who demand that everyone else does everything for them. People who act like the world and everyone in it, owes them, like some kind of personal slave; and then thinks anyone who won't just give everything they demand must somehow be spoiled. They have no clue exactly what others have had to face or work towards, to get wherever they might be at present. I just wish my friend could figure this out also, and stop taking things as a personal indictment against him, that never really had anything to do with him at all. As to these others, the many who beg, whine, and demand? I just don't really care all that much for it, anymore....

[zoomy942]

I wouldn't necessarily recommend people buy 2 old cars... And in this, people might need financing. I've been down that road before, and I've also been down the road of having to take the older car with 57,000 miles (when I got it) into the shop on an almost monthly basis. Now when the repair bills come to from several hundred, to $1,000 or so, only to need to return to the shop a month or 2 latter, for another expensive repair, it simply isn't worth it. I'm glad to have been rid of that one car.


agreed. but for me, my car was costing my 4,400 a year. so if i spend less than thar per year on repairs, i win :)

[yuriz43]

Liberals are the only people who complain about being called liberals. Also liberals are the only people who complain about being bashed. I bash liberalism because it deserves to be shown as the failed system that it is. Yes liberalism is a system.



That's the entire reason i stay out of the politics and religion forum because a few of you can't seem to have a decent discussion with tossing the "liberal" card around and using it every other word.
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lol

[nVJoe]

I like saying liberal because it PISSES liberals off. They just don't get it. The more it bugs you guys the more I use it.

[Son Goku]

agreed. but for me, my car was costing my 4,400 a year. so if i spend less than thar per year on repairs, i win :)

Depends how many years they keep it. But a new car comes with a 36,000 mile warranty typically. Now throw in the matter of just how inept many wives can be when something goes wrong with the car (no, not all); they might be getting a toe before realizing something was wrong with the thing...

But seriously, having to take the thing into the shop all the time, and spend that sorta money in getting the thing worked on; while either having to do without transportation, or get a car rental. No fricken shop in this area has loaner cars. I missed more days of college having to sit in the car shop all day. If it was work, I'd probably have lost a job by then. You live alone, there's no one to take you there. You're married, chances are, you end up late for work everytime you have to take your wife to the shop, and then make sure she's OK... You don't, cause "I need to go to work", and it's the dog house at home. Do, and it's the dog house at work. Bleh...

[giggles101]

I quite WoW not too long ago! Best thing I have ever done. Now I play GW!
It doesn't take forever to get anywhere (flying birds around is the pits).

It does take forever to do things...you spend most of the time running to get somewhere or flying to meet up with buddies just to get somewhere where some punk is camping out and killing everyone in site. FTL!!!!

[zoomy942]

Depends how many years they keep it. But a new car comes with a 36,000 mile warranty typically. Now throw in the matter of just how inept many wives can be when something goes wrong with the car (no, not all); they might be getting a toe before realizing something was wrong with the thing...

But seriously, having to take the thing into the shop all the time, and spend that sorta money in getting the thing worked on; while either having to do without transportation, or get a car rental. No fricken shop in this area has loaner cars. I missed more days of college having to sit in the car shop all day. If it was work, I'd probably have lost a job by then. You live alone, there's no one to take you there. You're married, chances are, you end up late for work everytime you have to take your wife to the shop, and then make sure she's OK... You don't, cause "I need to go to work", and it's the dog house at home. Do, and it's the dog house at work. Bleh...

true, but if you have a repair thats not under warranty, then you are out a car payment, insurance paymebnt and the cost of the repair. whereas, with an older vehicle, if you are lucky enough to get a decent old one, it may need major work once or twice a year, but you pay nothing for it the rest of the time.;

[Son Goku]

true, but if you have a repair thats not under warranty, then you are out a car payment, insurance paymebnt and the cost of the repair. whereas, with an older vehicle, if you are lucky enough to get a decent old one, it may need major work once or twice a year, but you pay nothing for it the rest of the time.;

The warranty typically lasts several years. On the other hand, once or twice a year, nah... I had major repair bills every 1.5-2 months. And the amount saved? Not really that much. What I don't know is if the car was just pathetic, or if someone cracked open and rolled back the odometer before turning it into the dealership. I shoulda known when I got that one off the lot with problems, but they covered it for a couple months (minus the A/C which they denied had a problem).

Nah, forget it... I don't want to have to cover repair bills on my own money for a fair good time. When transmission is one of them (automatic transmission) among other stuff; there is no "savings".

Ironically, when looking at cars (my current one is a new car), the previous one dumped all of the radiator fluid in the lot when I was out test driving. I came back to find my car had been moved, with gallons of run off from the thing.... I had to get a toe back home that night so as not to be stranded, and back down again the next day to buy the new (now current) one. I was more then a few miles away. The test drive wasn't that long either...

[zoomy942]

wow! your expeirences are like my wife's. she has had terrible luck with used cars, whereas i have always had decent luck. so, you and i are both right. i will be a tad more right if my car doesnt break every 1.5 to 2 months, and you'll win if my car becomes a money pit :)

only time will tell, friend

[Dvahlish]

My god....
What was this post originally about again?

:)