bkswaney's GeForce FX 5800 Ultra report

[DMA]

Originally posted by Solomon
Seems the NV35 is making the rounds to developers. My friend said his company received one and it's only running at 300MHz now. He shot me a 3DMark03 score. It's on a Pentium 2.4Ghz. Not to impressive to say the least. Not sure what drivers were used, but the score was around 4200. Hehe.

I just don't see the NV35 as a huge increase over the NV30. But who knows, maybe Nvidia can do something.. I'm curious how much are all you paying for your Ultra 5800's ?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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Not so impressive no.. :confused:

Are you ready?

[Solomon]

Well he said it's not performing great in 3Dmark03 with the card they received. But who knows, he never tested games on it. So for what it's worth it could be a great card. But from what he told me. It just seems the NV35 is nothing but what the NV30 should of been. At least this early in time... Things could change. They got 2 more months though...

I don't think this card is going to wipe the floor of the 9800 Pro. Especially how high the 9800 Pro can OC too..

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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[Uttar]

Originally posted by Solomon
Well he said it's not performing great in 3Dmark03 with the card they received. But who knows, he never tested games on it. So for what it's worth it could be a great card. But from what he told me. It just seems the NV35 is nothing but what the NV30 should of been. At least this early in time... Things could change. They got 2 more months though...

I don't think this card is going to wipe the floor of the 9800 Pro. Especially how high the 9800 Pro can OC too..

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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Err, Solomon, as you said, those are *300Mhz* cards.
The NV35 high-end model is launching at 500/400, AFAIK ( could be wrong though )

My guess is that nVidia's developer cards are just the one they can't clock high enough - so they don't lose any money giving them! :D


Uttar

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, probably not. It's probably the low-end GL model. The equivalent of the Quadro FX 1000, that one is clocked at 300/300 too.
Considering 3DMark 2003 is sometimes limited by memory sometimes by clock, you could do:

4200 / 300 * ( ( 400 + 500 ) / 2 ) = 4200 / 300 * 450 = 4200 * 1.5 = 6300

Seems in line with what I was expecting. Heck, those are not 100% final drivers, so it might get up to 6500. Oh, sure, it "cheats" a little, but heck, not more than the NV30.

[Solomon]

Originally posted by Uttar
Err, Solomon, as you said, those are *300Mhz* cards.
The NV35 high-end model is launching at 500/400, AFAIK ( could be wrong though )

My guess is that nVidia's developer cards are just the one they can't clock high enough - so they don't lose any money giving them! :D

Uttar

Hehehe. You're probably right. I just thought it was funny when he read off a 3Dmark03 score of their developer card. Heh. They probably aren't optimized worth of anything, but hopefully the cards do well with games. 3DMark03 is lame, but if that's any indication of a 300Mhz version. It just seems the results will just be the same as the predecessor and just that the FSAA / AF scores will be higher due to the 256-bit memory bus.

Who knows, it could all change when the cards come out in June. I just don't see it destroying the competition. It seems the Radeon 9800 Pro will still be slightly better.

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Solomon
Seems the NV35 is making the rounds to developers. My friend said his company received one and it's only running at 300MHz now. He shot me a 3DMark03 score. It's on a Pentium 2.4Ghz. Not to impressive to say the least. Not sure what drivers were used, but the score was around 4200. Hehe.

I just don't see the NV35 as a huge increase over the NV30. But who knows, maybe Nvidia can do something.. I'm curious how much are all you paying for your Ultra 5800's ?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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GPURW reported that a while ago : P but not hte 3dmark03 score!

Intresting to say the least, you need to ask your friend to clock it at a lower speed and see if we can make a corralation for each mhz and the score, so we can predit! or we could just guess : P

[Solomon]

Originally posted by GlowStick
GPURW reported that a while ago : P but not hte 3dmark03 score!

Intresting to say the least, you need to ask your friend to clock it at a lower speed and see if we can make a corralation for each mhz and the score, so we can predit! or we could just guess : P

He doesn't have direct access to the card to play with it. It's on one of their developing machines. Maybe he can get more use or info from it. If and when he does, I'll let you guys know. I don't want to get him in trouble.

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
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[RobHague]

I hope nvidia don't rush something out here. Id rather them take their time and bring us something really special and different at the end of the year or in 2004 than bring out an overclocked 5800. :/ I would really like them to concentrate on drivers for the NV3x architecture and not on taking a superficial and fleeting lead in performance over the 9800.

[PreservedSwine]

I don't think it was rushed, heck, it might even be a little delayed since the NV30 was 6 months late.

But I don't think you're looking at a card that will be signifigantly faster than the R9800PRO. Will it be faster, yes.

My bet is that Nvidia will again be the perfromance leader, after nearly a year in second place........Only to have ATI re-take the lead, drastically, with their fall offering. And so on, and so on, and so on.....

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine
I don't think it was rushed, heck, it might even be a little delayed since the NV30 was 6 months late.

But I don't think you're looking at a card that will be signifigantly faster than the R9800PRO. Will it be faster, yes.

My bet is that Nvidia will again be the perfromance leader, after nearly a year in second place........Only to have ATI re-take the lead, drastically, with their fall offering. And so on, and so on, and so on.....

Infact, NV35 is ahead of schedule, but their plan is if one product is delayed it dosnet effect any of the ohters, they just kept on pluggin along on doing what they do with the other stuff.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by RobHague
I hope nvidia don't rush something out here. Id rather them take their time and bring us something really special and different at the end of the year or in 2004 than bring out an overclocked 5800. :/ I would really like them to concentrate on drivers for the NV3x architecture and not on taking a superficial and fleeting lead in performance over the 9800.

nVidia is doing all of what you're talking about.
NV35 at E3.
NV40 at Comdex.
Det 50 sometimes soon ( no serious idea when, though )

Yes, they're in a frenzy :)


Uttar

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Uttar
nVidia is doing all of what you're talking about.
NV35 at E3.
NV40 at Comdex.
Det 50 sometimes soon ( no serious idea when, though )

Yes, they're in a frenzy :)


Uttar

When is E3?

[Uttar]

Originally posted by GlowStick
When is E3?

Pfff, you read GPU:RW and don't even know that? :)
www.e3expo.com

Conference begins on May 13th, Expo begins on May 14th.


Uttar

[DMA]

Originally posted by Uttar

Now that I'm thinking about it, probably not. It's probably the low-end GL model. The equivalent of the Quadro FX 1000, that one is clocked at 300/300 too.
Considering 3DMark 2003 is sometimes limited by memory sometimes by clock, you could do:

4200 / 300 * ( ( 400 + 500 ) / 2 ) = 4200 / 300 * 450 = 4200 * 1.5 = 6300

Seems in line with what I was expecting. Heck, those are not 100% final drivers, so it might get up to 6500. Oh, sure, it "cheats" a little, but heck, not more than the NV30.

I'll give you a cookie if that score turns out to be right for the final NV35 :D

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Uttar
Pfff, you read GPU:RW and don't even know that? :)
www.e3expo.com

Conference begins on May 13th, Expo begins on May 14th.


Uttar


BAH!

[euan]

Originally posted by marcocom


but theyre certainly close as hell and the age of the 9700pro means that it was unquestionably the 'card to own' last year and this year in terms of value and just about everything. frankly, i wish i had purchased one when they had released. (except no dual-cpu support makes it impossible) i would be definitely waiting for nv35


What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Radeon 9700 doesn't work with Dual CPUs? If so then that's BS, becuase I've used all 3 generations of the Radeon sucessfully on my Dual Athlon XP system. The 9700 has been the most stable of them all.

:confused:

[bkswaney]

Originally posted by euan
What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Radeon 9700 doesn't work with Dual CPUs? If so then that's BS, becuase I've used all 3 generations of the Radeon sucessfully on my Dual Athlon XP system. The 9700 has been the most stable of them all.

:confused:

AMEN brother!

Also Intel Gbay and Radeon = unstable as hell.

5800 ultra + Gbay = rock stable. :)

Now my old 8500 was stable on my dual athlon setup.
Sorry to hear your 9700 is not. :(

Just go over to asusboards and look at the threads on Gbay.
I sure hope intel and ati get this fixed on the 875 chipset.

[bkswaney]

DP sorry.

[marcocom]

Originally posted by euan
What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Radeon 9700 doesn't work with Dual CPUs? If so then that's BS, becuase I've used all 3 generations of the Radeon sucessfully on my Dual Athlon XP system. The 9700 has been the most stable of them all.

:confused:

ease up tiger.

the Radeon drivers are not SMP aware nor do they support multi-threading (they still operate in single CPU mode. pretty damn well too). why should they? when they fully support linux, they will most likely bring that online, i would guess. (for example i can run all id games and all games based on Q3 or Doom engine in SMP accelerated mode. silky nvidia ncreamy smoothness my smp brother)

the FireGL drivers were multi-threaded when developed by DiamondMultimedia on the IBM chipset, but im not sure about it on the ATi solution. its probably a large reason why the current firegl solution is so much slower in applications than the QuadroFX.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by euan
What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Radeon 9700 doesn't work with Dual CPUs? If so then that's BS, becuase I've used all 3 generations of the Radeon sucessfully on my Dual Athlon XP system. The 9700 has been the most stable of them all.

:confused:

No they do not, i had problems with that on my Tyan Tiger MP system (Athlon MP) and my Orginal Radeon DDR (later renamed to radeon7200, this was way back when).

The effects were BSOD (blue screens of death) on windows 2k, windows 2k is very stable and really should njever BSOD.

And also, as HardOCP hinted, ATi will not support linux for a LONG LONG time.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by Solomon
But from what he told me. It just seems the NV35 is nothing but what the NV30 should of been. At least this early in time...

I've heard some people say that. The refreshed nvidia puts out are what the original card should have been.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by GlowStick
No they do not, i had problems with that on my Tyan Tiger MP system (Athlon MP) and my Orginal Radeon DDR (later renamed to radeon7200, this was way back when).

The effects were BSOD (blue screens of death) on windows 2k, windows 2k is very stable and really should njever BSOD.

And also, as HardOCP hinted, ATi will not support linux for a LONG LONG time.

hmm.... I thought ati worked under linux... perhaps not all features but that it did work...


chalnoth... comments ? I know you have a 9700pro and also linux... refresher on if there is support ?

[marcocom]

Originally posted by Sazar
hmm.... I thought ati worked under linux... perhaps not all features but that it did work...


chalnoth... comments ? I know you have a 9700pro and also linux... refresher on if there is support ?

your right about that, sir. ATi cards function fully (in 2d desktop mode) in Xfree86. any graphics card does. kinda like the microsoft reference drivers.

[hovz]

when equal settigns are used, ati quality v nvidia application, the 9800 beats the fx in every single benchmark except that sam soemthing game second encounter

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Sazar
hmm.... I thought ati worked under linux... perhaps not all features but that it did work...


chalnoth... comments ? I know you have a 9700pro and also linux... refresher on if there is support ?

Yes, as marcocom stated, you can run linux with any video card.

But with Nvidia, everything is directly drawn fromt he hardware, while with ATi w/o driver support its basicly being ran off my cpu.

Actually if you read their web page here. (http://mirror.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html?cboOS=LinuxXFree86&cboProducts=RADEON+9800+PRO+128MB&eula=&choice=agree&cmdNext=Next) they say 'we TRY to assist third party developers with 2d accleration' hahaha not even close to 3d : O

then the rest of it is denying responsaibility for helping you get the 2d accleration working.



In conclusion:

To install Nvidia Linux drivers:
sh run-nvidia-xxxxx.run
joe XF86Config (then edit 2 lines)
Startx (presto changeo, your up and running)

To install ATi Linux drivers:
No

There you have it, it is easier to install ATi's drivers than Nvidias.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Yes, as marcocom stated, you can run linux with any video card.

But with Nvidia, everything is directly drawn fromt he hardware, while with ATi w/o driver support its basicly being ran off my cpu.

Actually if you read their web page here. (http://mirror.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html?cboOS=LinuxXFree86&cboProducts=RADEON+9800+PRO+128MB&eula=&choice=agree&cmdNext=Next) they say 'we TRY to assist third party developers with 2d accleration' hahaha not even close to 3d : O

then the rest of it is denying responsaibility for helping you get the 2d accleration working.



In conclusion:

To install Nvidia Linux drivers:
sh run-nvidia-xxxxx.run
joe XF86Config (then edit 2 lines)
Startx (presto changeo, your up and running)

To install ATi Linux drivers:
No

There you have it, it is easier to install ATi's drivers than Nvidias.

reading the same link I can't see where they say they TRY to help :)

they claim they are actively promoting their own kits in order for support of their cards... 2d/3d info available...

I personally don't use linux... hence I have not experienced the problems...

perhaps over the summer break I will hook up my k6-2 rig thats gathering dust and see if I can learn some 'nix :)

unfortunatley I don't have an agp slot on the k6-2 mobo :(