Black gold

[stncttr908]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030423/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_oil_11
(AP) - Iraq began restoring the lifeblood of its shattered economy Wednesday, with U.S.-led oil engineers pumping crude for the first time since the war in hopes of resuming domestic petroleum production. U.S. Brig. Gen. Robert Crear turned the tap at a storage facility outside the southern city of Basra and watched as slick black crude dribbled from the spigot and oozed between his fingers. "Now we're in the oil business," Crear said, laughing.
Now that will do wonders for our world opinion!

[1stFlight]

Yup, I think that should seal any lingering doubts...... *sighs*

[intercede007]

Of what, exactly?

[sbp]

Nice to see the rebuilding of Iraq has begun.

[1stFlight]

Originally posted by intercede007
Of what, exactly?

Of why we really went to war... sorry, I'm don't believe our motives were purely altruistic and neither do a lot of people.

[intercede007]

OK, neither do I. I don't think the freedom of Iraq was really paramount in the governments plans.


But Oil wasn't either. Ohh great...a couple American companies get temporary contracts to put out some fires and fix a few rigs. That will do wonders for our economy! Rejoice!!

Stupid General making a stupid comment. I bet he got a nice debrief on it before it even hit the papers.

[sbp]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
Of why we really went to war... sorry, I'm don't believe our motives were purely altruistic and neither do a lot of people. Did someone say the war was done for purely altruistic motives?

I don't believe our motives were purely selfish as some always want to believe and neither do a lot of people.

[stncttr908]

Originally posted by sbp
Did someone say the war was done for purely altruistic motives?

I don't believe our motives were purely selfish as some always want to believe and neither do a lot of people.
I agree, I'm just saying in this post that what he said isn't doing wonders for our opinion in the eyes of those that don't agree with us.

[madthumbs]

Huh? Black Gold?

http://www.io.com/~dork/pics/misc/mr-t.gif

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
Of why we really went to war... sorry, I'm don't believe our motives were purely altruistic and neither do a lot of people.

didn't you already have this argument like a billion times already, you really want to start that again?

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by sbp
Nice to see the rebuilding of Iraq has begun.

Very good to see it happening, its just a shame they rate fricking oil pumps above hospitals:rolleyes:

[1stFlight]

Originally posted by intercede007
OK, neither do I. I don't think the freedom of Iraq was really paramount in the governments plans.


But Oil wasn't either. Ohh great...a couple American companies get temporary contracts to put out some fires and fix a few rigs. That will do wonders for our economy! Rejoice!!

Stupid General making a stupid comment. I bet he got a nice debrief on it before it even hit the papers.

I think the question is, how temporary are those contracts?

And I also doubt it will do wonders for our economy, but as many have noticed Bush doesn't exactly care about that either.

The Rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class get squeezed, and no we're not getting squeezed up like toothpase either...

[silence]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Very good to see it happening, its just a shame they rate fricking oil pumps above hospitals:rolleyes:


well.....u have to spend money for hospitals.....oil just comes on it self....kinda easier,don't you think?

[intercede007]

Originally posted by silence
well.....u have to spend money for hospitals.....oil just comes on it self....kinda easier,don't you think?

But you reap more of a profit from the sale of Oil then you do the treating of patients.

Tell me, if the UN countries really were trading with Iraq along the lines of the Oil for Food programs (which included medical supplies), why were those hospitals so poorly stocked?

[DaveW]

You think the money we are spending on medicines, food and other supplies even gets reported?

Power has been restored to the eastern areas of Bagdad, the water supply in Basra exceeds pre-war levels. When our guys fix a power station the media barely mentions it, but when they fix an oil refinery they are all over it.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by intercede007
But you reap more of a profit from the sale of Oil then you do the treating of patients.

Tell me, if the UN countries really were trading with Iraq along the lines of the Oil for Food programs (which included medical supplies), why were those hospitals so poorly stocked?

Because Saddam spent the money on his army and his palaces rather than the people.

[jnd3]

Originally posted by madthumbs
Huh? Black Gold?

(MR. T Photo Delted)

:lol: ROFLMAO!

I pity the foo'! Don't gimme that jibba-jabba! I've got a Mr. T Chia Pet (my wife brought it back from one of the big cable shows a while back). Hehe.

On the oil for food program, from the world's most expensive college newspaper (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/18/opinion/18ROSE.html), the New York Times:

The oil-for-food program is no ordinary relief effort. Not only does it involve astronomical amounts of money, it also operates with alarming secrecy. Intended to ease the human cost of economic sanctions by letting Iraq sell oil and use the profits for staples like milk and medicine, the program has morphed into big business. Since its inception, the program has overseen more than $100 billion in contracts for oil exports and relief imports combined. . . .

Initially, all contracts were to be approved by the Security Council. Nonetheless, the program facilitated a string of business deals tilted heavily toward Saddam Hussein's preferred trading partners, like Russia, France and, to a lesser extent, Syria. About a year ago, in the name of expediency, Mr. Annan was given direct authority to sign off on all goods not itemized on a special watch list. Yet shipments with Mr. Annan's go-ahead have included so-called relief items such as "boats" and boat "accessories" from France and "sport supplies" from Lebanon (sports in Iraq having been the domain of Saddam's Hussein's sadistic elder son, Uday). . . .

And then there is this menacing list of countries that supplied "detergent": Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Algeria, Yemen and Sudan. Maybe all that multisourced soap was just a terrific bargain for doing the laundry. But there is no way for any independent parties — including the citizens of Iraq, whose money was actually spent on the goods — to know.

There's a whole lotta stuff coming out about the corruption in the UN's oil-for-food program. Of course, it'll probably just blow over, because we all know the UN can do no wrong.... :rolleyes:

Cheers,
JND

[jnd3]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Very good to see it happening, its just a shame they rate fricking oil pumps above hospitals:rolleyes:
Buried way at the bottom of a story (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030423/1/3abga.html)...

On the humanitarian front, the first UN international staff to return to the country since the start of the war entered northern Iraq.

The Doctors Without Borders (MSF) group said that Baghdad hospitals are in dire straits, but that there was no large-scale health crisis in the country.

"MSF has not found any reason to justify a major humanitarian medical programme in Iraq," said MSF international president Morten Rostrup.

Cheers,
JND

[1stFlight]

There wouldn't have been any patients if we'd let the inspectors continue their work... we created the problem, it's our responsiblity to fix it. Now the part were we use their oil to pay for our war, now that's just funny. :bleh:

Originally posted by silence
well.....u have to spend money for hospitals.....oil just comes on it self....kinda easier,don't you think?

[DaveW]

retarded.

[jnd3]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
There wouldn't have been any patients if we'd let the inspectors continue their work... we created the problem, it's our responsiblity to fix it. Now the part were we use their oil to pay for our war, now that's just funny. :bleh:
:lol: HAHAHAH! You're right, that's funny!

Oh, wait a minute....you're SERIOUS?!?

That's right, there were no patients in the hospitals when Saddam was in charge. Just corpses. :mad: It's so much cheaper for the country, certainly, just to bury the murdered in mass graves or warehouses. Yup, let the inspectors do their work (or, Ignorance is Blix). Nothing to see, move along, move along.

:rolleyes:

Cheers,
JND

[1stFlight]

I never said anything of the sort, what you should have gotten from that was ...

Iraq's problems prior to our invasions, were Iraq's problems. Not ours.

Don't go tooting our horn yet, we haven't yet fixed the problem, someone worse than Saddam may yet arise.

New concept for a lot of people here, it's caled "Strategic Thinking" or how not to cause problems for future generations of Americans. The war in Iraq entailed none of that.

Originally posted by jnd3
:lol: HAHAHAH! You're right, that's funny!

Oh, wait a minute....you're SERIOUS?!?

That's right, there were no patients in the hospitals when Saddam was in charge. Just corpses. :mad: It's so much cheaper for the country, certainly, just to bury the murdered in mass graves or warehouses. Yup, let the inspectors do their work (or, Ignorance is Blix). Nothing to see, move along, move along.

:rolleyes:

Cheers,
JND

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by DaveW
retarded.

yes, god damn retarded. This guy is a moronhttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=105411

1stFlight, whats your favorite method of torture that Hussein used on the people you wish were still under his rule?:lol:

[DaveW]

Hans Blix used to be Director General of the International Atomic Energy Authority. He oversaw the cleanup of the Chenobyl disaster and personally claimed his plan to encase the number 4 reactor in concrete was safe. Turns out now that the concrete encasing wasn't very well designed, its crumbling and leaking radioactive waste and needs to be rebuilt.

If he can't be trusted to contain one nuclear reactor, how can be be trusted to contain the nuclear escapades of a whole nation?

He was also given an honorary doctorate at Moscow State University in 1987. How does one get to be honored by a famous university in a then communist regime? I'm sure you can figure it out.

[1stFlight]

1) Quote your source
2) What's really retarded, is equating a litterally "johhny on the spot", nuclear containment with searching for WMD's.... there's absolutely no common point of reference. Considering it's the first time an accident of this sort has ever happened in the whole of human history, you're not exactly in a position to judge.

By any chance do you happen to have any designs in your back pocket for an encasement that holds in 400kg of plutonium and more than 100 tons of nuclear fuel? Oh yeah make sure it can hold it for at least 10,000 years, long enough for radiation to die down. Right, I didn't think so....

Originally posted by DaveW
Hans Blix used to be Director General of the International Atomic Energy Authority. He oversaw the cleanup of the Chenobyl disaster and personally claimed his plan to encase the number 4 reactor in concrete was safe. Turns out now that the concrete encasing wasn't very well designed, its crumbling and leaking radioactive waste and needs to be rebuilt.

If he can't be trusted to contain one nuclear reactor, how can be be trusted to contain the nuclear escapades of a whole nation?

He was also given an honorary doctorate at Moscow State University in 1987. How does one get to be honored by a famous university in a then communist regime? I'm sure you can figure it out.