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kimball
01-22-08, 08:41 PM
What would you guys suggest for a video card to be used primarily for gaming (battlefield 2, Counter-Strike: Source etc...)

Motherboard: ABIT VT7
RAM: DDR PC2700 4 X 512 MB

What are some of the latest and best video cards out there now?
I don't really have a price range yet, I'll probably just set my sights on one and save up for it.

Any input appreciated, thanks.

SH64
01-22-08, 08:46 PM
Hmm thats an AGP board. the current-gen of cards do not support AGP anymore.

however for the games you mentioned i'd say a 7600GT should do good.
example :
http://www.nextag.com/7600gt-agp/search-html
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-GeForce-7600GT-560MHz-256MB/dp/B000JHO4TM

kimball
01-22-08, 08:56 PM
Hmm, would my hardware be old enough to warrant considering buying a new computer that has a PCI motherboard instead, or would the card you suggested significantly increase my fps / graphics over the FX 5200?

stncttr908
01-22-08, 09:07 PM
Hmm, would my hardware be old enough to warrant considering buying a new computer that has a PCI motherboard instead, or would the card you suggested significantly increase my fps / graphics over the FX 5200?
If you have the funds available, a new board would be the best idea. Unfortunately this is going to also require a new CPU, new RAM, etc.

For CS:S and BF2 the 7600GT would be plenty, but if you're looking to get into any new games you'll want something faster.

Uberpwnage
01-22-08, 09:10 PM
It's kinda a yes to both questions, but f I were you i'd upgrade your whole platform though. Why?

- well DDR2 is so cheap nowdays, with 2GB for about $50 and 4GB (2x2GB) for just over $100.

-You've also got great cards at low price points, the 8800GT for a little over $200 and the 8800GS which should be even cheaper.

- The new C2D E8400 can be had for less then $200 as well

Basically you can build a killer rig for not much at all compared to past years.

stncttr908
01-22-08, 09:16 PM
Uber is right. If you're looking for a monster upgrade on the cheap side you're not going to do much better than right now.

kimball
01-22-08, 09:46 PM
Sounds good. I can't use a Pentium 4 processor in a new mobo that runs PCI?

Also, If I choose to upgrade what is a good choice in mobo and cpu and who has the best prices?

Uberpwnage
01-22-08, 10:18 PM
Socket 775 Pentium 4's should work with the new boards, but a P4 would drastically bottleneck your system.

All depends on what your budget is.

But I would say an Intel C2D E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037), you get 3GHz stock, w/ a 9x multiplier so its great for overclocking. 4GHz would be easy, and if you don't want to oc, the stock speed is more then enough and would run cool. You could also go quad core, which would mean a Q6600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017) if you're wanting to buy this rig right away. In about a month we should have the mainstream 45nm quads, the 2.66GHz Q9450 for $316, and the 2.83GHz Q9550 for $530. Theres really no reason to go dual core for over $230 at this point though, it's just a waste.

Mobo, probably a decent P35, no need for an X38 unless you plan on going crossfire. The DFI P35 Blood Iron (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136038) is pretty cheap with great performance, some of Gigabyte's lower end models (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059)are really popular too. Obviously there are higher end choices like DFI's lanparty series and the ASUS Maximus Formula. I haven't worked with any P35's so maybe someone here with one could recommend one from personal experience.

For ram, I'd say one of the G.skill 2x2GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+50008476+1052108080+1052315794+105251 6065&Configurator=&Subcategory=147&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=) kits, either the DDR2 1000 or DDR2 800.

For the video card, probably a 512MB 8800GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318)if you can afford it, if not then a 256MB one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130314). If you've got more money to spend, then go for the 8800 GTS 512 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325).

Newegg generally has good prices overall, you may find the individual components cheaper at several different sites but it's unlikely that you'd find all of them cheaper at one site.

CAUTION
01-22-08, 11:12 PM
Socket 775 Pentium 4's should work with the new boards, but a P4 would drastically bottleneck your system.

All depends on what your budget is.

But I would say an Intel C2D E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037), you get 3GHz stock, w/ a 9x multiplier so its great for overclocking. 4GHz would be easy, and if you don't want to oc, the stock speed is more then enough and would run cool. You could also go quad core, which would mean a Q6600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017) if you're wanting to buy this rig right away. In about a month we should have the mainstream 45nm quads, the 2.66GHz Q9450 for $316, and the 2.83GHz Q9550 for $530. Theres really no reason to go dual core for over $230 at this point though, it's just a waste.

Mobo, probably a decent P35, no need for an X38 unless you plan on going crossfire. The DFI P35 Blood Iron (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136038) is pretty cheap with great performance, some of Gigabyte's lower end models (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059)are really popular too. Obviously there are higher end choices like DFI's lanparty series and the ASUS Maximus Formula. I haven't worked with any P35's so maybe someone here with one could recommend one from personal experience.

For ram, I'd say one of the G.skill 2x2GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+50008476+1052108080+1052315794+105251 6065&Configurator=&Subcategory=147&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=) kits, either the DDR2 1000 or DDR2 800.

For the video card, probably a 512MB 8800GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318)if you can afford it, if not then a 256MB one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130314). If you've got more money to spend, then go for the 8800 GTS 512 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325).

Newegg generally has good prices overall, you may find the individual components cheaper at several different sites but it's unlikely that you'd find all of them cheaper at one site.

WOW uber, you really are great at helping people out, man I love this community !!.

kimball
01-23-08, 09:39 AM
What would be the major differences between the 8800GTS and the regular 8800GT? And to get SLI, you would just buy two identical cards and make sure that you have 2 pci slots?

SH64
01-23-08, 03:56 PM
What would be the major differences between the 8800GTS and the regular 8800GT? And to get SLI, you would just buy two identical cards and make sure that you have 2 pci slots?
To put it simply (order from fastest to less fast) :
8800 Ultra > 8800 GTS 512 > 8800 GTX > 8800 GT > 8800 GTS 640 > 8800 GTS 320
all of them are fast enough in new games , but personally i'd recommend the 8800GT.

& for SLI yep .. 2 identical cards , motherboard that supports SLI (like the Nvidia 680i & 780i chipsets) & a good PSU.
frankly i'd say dont go SLI just yet since you're upgrading from an old comp. leave that for the future.

kimball
01-23-08, 04:25 PM
I'll probably be going with the 8800 GTS, The Quad Core Q6600, and the Gigabyte model that uber suggested.

Anything I should know about Hard Drives and Cases? Are hard drives pretty standard in hooking up to mobo's or is there a possibility of a compatibility problem?

I'm set with just using a single drive, not multiple ones.

Again thanks for all the help here, its great.

SH64
01-23-08, 04:44 PM
All SATA Harddrivers & ATX cases are standard. there shouldnt be any incompatability problems.

Good Luck!

Lenin
01-23-08, 06:14 PM
You could also go quad core, which would mean a Q6600 if you're wanting to buy this rig right away. In about a month we should have the mainstream 45nm quads, the 2.66GHz Q9450 for $316, and the 2.83GHz Q9550 for $530.
I'd say the Q6600. Avoid the newer 45nm ones, as they have a 333mhz fsb with a lower multi - which means that you'll have to raise the fsb much higher to get the same results.

I haven't worked with any P35's so maybe someone here with one could recommend one from personal experience.
The Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3 works well for me.
If you need raid w/ more than two drives, or besides 0 and 1, you can get the ds3r model.

For ram, I'd say one of the G.skill 2x2GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+50008476+1052108080+1052315794+105251 6065&Configurator=&Subcategory=147&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=) kits, either the DDR2 1000 or DDR2 800.
Good choice.

If you've got more money to spend, then go for the 8800 GTS 512 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325).
I'd say the new gts, as it has a much better fan.

kimball
01-23-08, 08:35 PM
Thanks for the advice lenin, much appreciated.

I'd say the new gts, as it has a much better fan.

The new gts, as in the 8800 GTS, or is there an old and a new GTS?

stncttr908
01-23-08, 08:38 PM
Thanks for the advice lenin, much appreciated.



The new gts, as in the 8800 GTS, or is there an old and a new GTS?
The old 8800GTS cards had either 320MB or 640MB. The new is 512MB. There are many differences between the two, but that's the easiest way to tell them apart.

The new cards run much more efficiently and therefore can run at higher speeds.

kimball
01-23-08, 09:49 PM
Thanks. That 512mb GTS is the one that uber posted, I'll go with that one for sure.

kimball
01-29-08, 11:11 PM
I have another question now. Does it make sense to get Windows Vista in order to take advantage of DirectX 10 or could I still see the same performance / eye candy with Windows XP and directx 9.0 c?

LORD-eX-Bu
01-30-08, 12:13 AM
stick with XP... tho if you are going to get that g.skill kit I'd say Vista Ultimate x64.

OldGamer
01-30-08, 01:31 AM
I am pretty sure that the ATI cards are the fastest AGP cards out there. (2600XT and X1950pro) There is a rumor that ATI will produce a new DX10.1 AGP card too...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/03/the_best_gaming_graphics/page5.html

This one is pretty cheap for a DX10 card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102718

Lenin
01-30-08, 04:06 PM
I have another question now. Does it make sense to get Windows Vista in order to take advantage of DirectX 10 or could I still see the same performance / eye candy with Windows XP and directx 9.0 c?
I'd avoid Vista, it's a real pain :barf:
Besides that, XP is clearly faster at gaming. If you need support for 4gb, get XP64 (which, despite it's name, isn't XP but Windows 2003).

There's no real advantage of DX10 over DX9, and DX10 modes of games are generally slower than the DX9 modes of the same game.

amk21
01-30-08, 05:00 PM
Ya I would suggest staying with xp, I currently only use vista, besides the eyecandy, dx10, and the media center, there is nothing to it but a major headache.

kimball
01-31-08, 10:36 PM
If you need support for 4gb, get XP64 (which, despite it's name, isn't XP but Windows 2003).

Does that refer to having 4gb of Ram? XP home edition won't recognize that much? Is that also related to the post about getting vista if I get the G.Skill ram? I could still run 2/3gb of G.Skill quite well with XP, correct?

Lenin
02-01-08, 06:11 PM
Does that refer to having 4gb of Ram? XP home edition won't recognize that much?
Yes. XP32 (and 32bit-OSes in general) can't handle 4gb. If you put in 4gb in such a system, you'll only be able to use 3gb, thus 1gb going to waste :headexplode:

Ya I would suggest staying with xp, I currently only use vista, besides the eyecandy, dx10, and the media center, there is nothing to it but a major headache.
Indeed. I tried out Vista last spring, and it was very disappointing w/ many things being a pain in the arse :thumbdwn:
Add to that that games are generally quite a bit slower in DX10 than they are in DX9, then there's no good reason to use Vista at all (unless you're a masochist :spank: )

Here's an actual review from Tweaktown which was released two days ago (30 January 2008), showing Company of Heroes running in DirectX9 (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1284/9/page_9_benchmarks_company_of_heroes/index.html) on XP and DirectX10 (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1284/15/page_15_benchmarks_company_of_heroes_dx10_vista/index.html) on Vista:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9624/cohdx9tweaktownfd9.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5650/cohdx10tweaktownsx4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

With DX9 on XP (185.4fps) being more than three times as fast as DX10 on Vista (52.2fsp), you can see that MS touting Vista as a gaming OS due to DX10 is nothing but a bad hoax :rofl
...and that's a full year after Vista's release, too, after lots of patches and whatnot to improve performance! (rofl2)

kimball
02-03-08, 02:33 PM
Thank you very much Lenin, that post was very useful. I'll be sticking to XP and 2gb of G.Skill then.