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skyehawke
01-28-08, 01:53 PM
Hello folks

I wish to improve the graphics processing on my Dell 3100 Win XP Media Center, P-4 2.8G, 2GB pc-400ddr2, GeForce FX 5200 128mb card currently installed. I mostly do flight sims and air combat sims. The FX 5200 has done ok with most sims, but tends to slow frame rate when a large air combat scenario unfolds.

This is not my primary gaming machine, but do use it several times a week and wish to amp it up a notch, perhaps even with just a card with more built-in memory?????

My expansion slot Options:

PCI card
or
PCI Express X 1

No AGP or PCI Express X 16.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions, Pros/Cons, etc.

Patrick

XDanger
01-28-08, 03:30 PM
PowerColor HD 2400Pro 256MB DDR2

XDanger
01-28-08, 03:43 PM
9250

skyehawke
01-28-08, 03:44 PM
The "PowerColor HD 2400Pro 256MB DDR2" if I'm not mistaken, is a
PCI Express X 16 card.

Unfortunately, my machine has only a PCI Express X 1 slot, and a standard PCI slot.

Thanks

Patrick

XDanger
01-28-08, 03:45 PM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139026

Thats a shame ,They must have put it in the wrong category.

GeForce6 6200 256MB then
http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Graphics-Cards-Nvidia/subcat/nVIDIA-PCI-Range

Is that 2.8 a northwood? ,They overclock well (3.4 with not much hassle) , If so shame its a dell, Unless you can unlock the bios.

skyehawke
01-28-08, 04:11 PM
Unsure of the CPU's manufacturer.

I gather then, that the PCI Express X 1 slot is preferred over the conventional PCI?

(I am not a pc guru, and have done little more in terms of work on pc's than swap or install sound/video/modem cards, installed removable media drives, memory, processors and hard drives.)

Don't know how to "overclock", but gather that it must increase the speed of the CPU.
Thank you for the reply and suggestion :)

Patrick

XDanger
01-28-08, 04:35 PM
pci-e 1 is for a network card or other, not (usually) graphics , EDIT : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161017
I had no clue.

Northwood is the possible cpu type of your intel 2.8ghz pentium
Either that or prescott which aren't as good but newer.

Dell lock their bios so people cant mess with them (or overclock)

skyehawke
01-28-08, 05:20 PM
The machine in question says the following:'

"1 GG870 PROCESSOR..., 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT..., Pentium 4 Prescott DT, 2.8GHZ, 1 MEGB, 533FSB..., LGA, G1"

Prescott it is, then...

andy_nv
01-28-08, 06:26 PM
I don't get it, it has PCI E x1 but no PCI E x16, why did they bother going for PCI E in the first place ?
Are you sure you're not confusing the PCI E x1 slot with AMR/CMR or some proprietary slot ?

skyehawke
01-28-08, 06:33 PM
andy_nv,

Yes, I'm sure.

PCI Express X 1

I am sure Dell probably had a ton of these not thinking PCIe X16 would catch up/on so quick.

Lenin
01-28-08, 06:44 PM
I don't get it, it has PCI E x1 but no PCI E x16, why did they bother going for PCI E in the first place ?
It's a Dell - by n00bs for n00bs. It's not meant to make sense :headexplode:

andy_nv
01-28-08, 07:07 PM
Get a motherboard with integrated graphics (nvidia geforce 7xxx, nforce 6xxi). You solve two problems by this, better graphics and PCI E x16 expansion in the future.

edit: then again, I'm not sure if such a board would take your DDR2 400 memory (must have at least 533 ?).

skyehawke
01-28-08, 08:04 PM
Lenin, what is a "n00b"?

andy_nv, my mistake, it has the following type memory:

2 GB Crucial 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-4200 memory.

skyehawke
01-28-08, 08:09 PM
Lenin, nevermind..."Newbie". I get it.

XDanger
01-29-08, 04:51 AM
Its a Dell so "getting" a motherboard wont solve anything.

EVGA e-GeForce 6200 256MB PCI is the card you want

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=256-P1-N399-LX

$100 sounds a bit steep though.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161017 or that thing but I cant see any game bencmarks

andy_nv
01-29-08, 07:27 AM
2 GB Crucial 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-4200 memory.
That would be DDR2 533MHz.

Its a Dell so "getting" a motherboard wont solve anything.

I admit, I'm a n00b when it comes to brand PCs, I try to keep away. Why it won't work, new motherboard won't fit in the case, other components are "locked" to the Dell motherboard ?

skyehawke
01-29-08, 10:19 AM
Hello folks

Thank you for your replies and suggestions.

As for buying a Dell, this is my second Dell desktop since 2002. I realize Dells are not optimal machines for upgrading or conversion to gaming giants. At the time of purchase, however, gaming was not a consideration, so upgrading other than drives and memory was not an issue at time of purchase.

Both Dell machines have given flawless service for my personal and work at home applications. They performed reasonably well with the air combat sims I am addicted to.

I have a homebuilt Athlon 2.4 Ghz/MicroFly, 2 GB crucial memory and a GeForce 7800 256mb GDDR and a TB of disk storage which is my gaming machine attached to my Panasonic plasma tv, and Pioneer 7.1 receiver, JBL speakers, two 10in powered subs; it shakes the very Earth! I use an Adesso wireless keyboard and a Logitech "Freedom" wireless joystick and Logitech G7 cordless mouse...this setup damn near flies itself!

I use my Dell periodically as a game back-up machine now, when spouse is watching television on my main game machine, or has company; and though I can't make it totally rock like my dedicated game machine, I simply want to "improve" it's performance from the GeForce FX 5200 128 MB PCI (conventional) card currently installed (which I originally installed in my first Dell Dimension 2350 in 2002/2003?)

All I wished to find out from you Masters of the craft, is which card slot will produce the best performance:

Standard PCI or PCI Express X 1 (not X 16)


I suspect that even if it is only times 1, that PCI Express is the faster choice of the two, but wished to hear from those who know better than myself for confirmation of these suspicions.

Thank you again for taking the time to reply and your suggestions.

Patrick

skyehawke
01-30-08, 10:20 AM
Hello folks

I have found in my research some info that may or may not be of interest to some.

Regarding the benefits of PCI Express X 1 over standard PCI for video cards, there is a substantial increase in the amount of data transferred through the two interfaces.

EXAMPLE:

STANDARD PCI- CLOCK= 33MHz or 66MHz
DATA TRANSFER RATE=133MB/s

PCI EXPRESS X1—CLOCK= 2.5 GHz
DATA TRANSFER RATE= 512 MB/s

While not the blinding speed of PCI Express x16, PCI Express x1 is a
significant increase in data flow over Standard PCI.

Guess I’ll get a PCI Express x1 card after all…

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161197

Thanks folks.

Patrick

Lenin
01-30-08, 05:18 PM
Guess I’ll get a PCI Express x1 card after all…

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161197
I'd try and see if you can get a card w/ 128bit bus... 64bit is braking quite a bit.

andy_nv
01-31-08, 06:23 AM
There's a Galaxy 7300GT (http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_Details.asp?id=124&class1=1&class2=) with 128-bit. Problem is, it has 128Mb ram and it could be pricey.

Lenin
01-31-08, 07:07 PM
There's a Galaxy 7300GT (http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_Details.asp?id=124&class1=1&class2=) with 128-bit. Problem is, it has 128Mb ram and it could be pricey.
128mb is fully sufficient for such a card. It's too slow to make good use of more memory.
Also, 64bit and 128bit is a *big* difference (much more than 12bit and 256bit or 256bit and above). I'd definitely go for the 128bit card.
Besides that, why should it be expensive?

andy_nv
02-01-08, 06:49 AM
Where I live it's close to $100, depends on how much you want to spend for such a card.