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PlayerZen14
01-29-08, 06:09 AM
In about a week's time or before, I'll be building a computer for my friend. The specs:

LG GH-20LS10 20X SMulti DVDWriter LightScribe,SATA
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600(2.4G)8M BOX (G0/95W)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (Intel LGA775)
MSI P35 NEO2-FR P35 Motherboard
FSP 700W (FX700-GLN) ATX P.S. [24pins+SLi ready]
R680 (HIS/Asus/Sapphire 3870X2 1gb ddr3)
A-DATA DDR-2 800MHZ 2G Ram (stock coolers) x2
Seagate 250GB ST3250310AS SATA2 HDD
NZXT Apollo ATX Case
Logitech X230 32 Watts 2.1 Speaker
Acer 22" X222Wbd LCD (1000:1,DVI,CrystalBrite,HDCP)
Logitech G15
Logitech MX518

Total cost= about 1625USD

any recommendations before i go on?

XDanger
01-29-08, 06:56 AM
Include an OS ,Otherwise its all good.

Do they want to OC ,If so higher speed ram.

Freezer 7 Pro is a great cooler and very cheap but give this thing a look.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2233&page=5 < Mine should be arriving in the next couple of hours

Reviews are varied though.

500gb Samsung Spinpoints are nice ,Whats the price comparison with the 250gb seagate?

stncttr908
01-29-08, 09:06 AM
Any particular reason you've chosen the 3870X2? For price/performance I'd go with an 8800GT or GTS 512MB. Also, don't count out the difference a good 5.1 speaker set makes in a gaming experience, especially online shooters.

DRen72
01-29-08, 01:49 PM
Any particular reason you've chosen the 3870X2? For price/performance I'd go with an 8800GT or GTS 512MB. Also, don't count out the difference a good 5.1 speaker set makes in a gaming experience, especially online shooters.I have to agree. If you go for the 3870X2, then you may be planning to go dual card. However, that may not turn out so well on a P35 board. So, I have to agree that a GTS 512MB card is likely a better solution on a P35 board. I also agree about 5.1 surround. Its a must have!

PlayerZen14
01-30-08, 08:05 AM
I have to agree. If you go for the 3870X2, then you may be planning to go dual card. However, that may not turn out so well on a P35 board. So, I have to agree that a GTS 512MB card is likely a better solution on a P35 board. I also agree about 5.1 surround. Its a must have!

I dont know if you know or not, but the 3870x2 ir the r680, not 2x 3870s in CrossFire, so a P35 board should be okay since the card only takes up one pci-e x16 slot. For crossfire, i wouldve planned for an x38 board, but im not going crossfire anyway.

PlayerZen14
02-01-08, 06:09 AM
should i buy 2 3870x2 and CF them or should i buy the 3870x2 (r680). 2 3870s would cost about 40USD less than the 3870x2.

Blacklash
02-01-08, 06:46 AM
I bought an Asus HD 3870 X2 and tried it myself. If you notice @ Newegg they don't allow a refund on that item just an exchange for another if it's defective.

In some titles where Crossfire doesn't work you get stuck with single HD 3870 performance. In other titles Crossfire causes very rough game play, example; "The Witcher".

The fan sounds like an outboard motor when it spins up to high. I had that happen quite a bit in "Crysis".

It puts up a decent 3dmock06 score and I'd get something else to game.

18.5k
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4997365

If you want a great bang for your buck card try an overclocked 8800GT 512Mb. Many of those can cope all the way up to 1920x.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/8800GTs/index.php

If you want a little extra push and better cooling try the 8800 GTS 512Mb.

I am kicking myself in the rear for bothering with the HD 3870 X2 now. If you really must try it buy it from a place that allows you to return it.

I've used mine less than 6hours and will be selling the full retail box for 400usd.

Revs
02-01-08, 07:12 AM
Just wondering. What is your friend using his PC for. If it's just gaming and he's not gonna overclock it, I would have a think about dropping the Q6600 for an E8400 2 core. The reason is, I think the benefits of the higher standard FSB speed of the E8400 would give more benefit in gaming over the quad core.

If he is gonna be overclocking then you'll need a better cooler for the quad, where as he won't with the E8400.

Just a thought. :)

As for the graphics, I would have thought the ATI card would be the way to go, but I aint used one. Blacklash doesn't seem to like it so, yes, a GT or even better, a GTS512 for a few /$ extra would be a safe bet.

PlayerZen14
02-01-08, 07:28 AM
Well, my friend's not a PC enthusiast (duh, or else I wouldn't have to help him to build it), so i wouldnt imagine he'd overclock his q6600 a lot. An AC Freezer 7 Pro should do fine. Also, i was thinking about getting him a gts 512, but the 3870x2 is generally better. I was originally planning on getting him 2 3870s but i figured CF and SLi werent a good idea. A 3870x2 is multi-gpu but it should be a bit more stable since its on the same board and they dont need an x38 board to put it to full use.

BTW guys, do you think the MSI Neo2-FR is alright? Or should i pay about 10 bucks more to get the Asus P5KR? Thanks for the help people :D

PlayerZen14
02-01-08, 07:55 AM
btw do you know if the q6600 price is going to drop when the new intel cpus come out (q9450)?

stncttr908
02-01-08, 09:04 AM
btw do you know if the q6600 price is going to drop when the new intel cpus come out (q9450)?
Maybe initially, but when supplies start getting low the price drops might slow down. I do know this, though - each day we get closer to the Q9450 release the Q6600 becomes less and less future-proof. If you ask me, we've passed the point where it's worth getting a 65nm quad.

PlayerZen14
02-03-08, 06:10 AM
Should I stick with the MSI P35 Neo2-FR, or go with the Asus P5KR?

Amuro
02-03-08, 06:15 AM
I'd recommand Asus over MSI.

Amuro
02-03-08, 06:21 AM
I bought an Asus HD 3870 X2 and tried it myself. If you notice @ Newegg they don't allow a refund on that item just an exchange for another if it's defective.

In some titles where Crossfire doesn't work you get stuck with single HD 3870 performance. In other titles Crossfire causes very rough game play, example; "The Witcher".

The fan sounds like an outboard motor when it spins up to high. I had that happen quite a bit in "Crysis".

It puts up a decent 3dmock06 score and I'd get something else to game.

18.5k
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4997365

If you want a great bang for your buck card try an overclocked 8800GT 512Mb. Many of those can cope all the way up to 1920x.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/8800GTs/index.php

If you want a little extra push and better cooling try the 8800 GTS 512Mb.

I am kicking myself in the rear for bothering with the HD 3870 X2 now. If you really must try it buy it from a place that allows you to return it.

I've used mine less than 6hours and will be selling the full retail box for 400usd.
Not possible in Hong Kong. Stores here only allow exchange of defective product for same product or something of the same value within 7 days of purchase.

PlayerZen14
02-03-08, 07:03 AM
I'd recommand Asus over MSI.

Same here but the P5KR is basically the P5K with ICH9R and RAID. But reviews of the p5k are pretty bad from newegg, so i wouldnt think that the p5kr would be much better.

At the same time, the MSI Neo2-FR doesnt have such great reviews either.

I really need some opinions here, im buying the parts TOMORROW!

Lenin
02-03-08, 06:03 PM
Why don't you get a new X38 board? The P5E has got some good reviews:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

PlayerZen14
02-03-08, 08:38 PM
Today's the day :DHere's the final setup:LG GH-20LS10 20X SMulti DVDWriter L/S,SATAIntel Core 2 Quad Q6600(2.4G)8M BOX (G0/95W)Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (Intel LGA775)Asus P5KRFSP 700W (FX700-GLN) ATX P.S. [24pins+SLi+Server) HIS 3870X2A-DATA DDR-2 800MHZ 2G Ram x2Seagate 250.0GB ST3250310AS SATAII HDDNZXT ApolloLogitech X230 32 Watts 2.1 Speaker Acer 22" X222Wbd LCD (1000:1,DVI,CrystalBrite,HDCP)Logitech G15Logitech MX518
I'll be back tomorrow with some pics hopefully :o

PlayerZen14
02-04-08, 10:30 AM
I'm currently halfway through building my friend's computer. Ive got some problems already since i have no experience in building computers.

Ive got some problems regarding connecting the PSU cables to the right components. i bought the FSP Epsilon 700W PSU, and im not exactly sure where each of the cables are supposed to be connected to :( . I connected the SATA cable and the main motherboard power connector, but thats about it. Sorry people, building computers was much harder than i thought :p

PlayerZen14
02-04-08, 09:33 PM
I've finished building the computer but it doesnt boot properly. I havent connected the computer to any monitor, speaker, keyboard or mouse. Basically, when i press the ON button, all the fans turn on (gpu, case fans, cpu cooler) for about a second, and then it turns off. What parts do i need to check for? Do i need to connect the pc to the monitor before i can boot?

PlayerZen14
02-04-08, 10:09 PM
Something weird just happened. The computer boots (i havent set up the monitor) and the power supply fan spins for about a second, and then stops. Even though the fans stops spinning, all the other fans for my other components (gpu, cpu cooler, case fan) are still spinning in my computer are still working. Is there a problem?

PlayerZen14
02-05-08, 05:18 AM
finished building and booting up xp pro 32 :D

BUT....

there is absolute NO sound. I have the logitech x-230 2.1 speakers and they were attached to the back i/o ports on the case. I turned them on and turned up the volume, but there was no sound. I checked control panel and checked the sound properties and it said that no audio devices were detected. You couldnt change volume or anything like such.

Also, my freezer 7 pro didnt mount on the mobo holes very well, so it was pushed into place through the holes, but i couldnt lock them (by turning the pins a-clockwise). It still seems pretty secure though:D

THe 3870x2 BARELY, and i mean BARELY fit into the tiny little nzxt apollo. Shoulda done some measuring before i bought that thing :( . It is about a centimeter away from the hard drive cage :(.

Ram was installed well, but since i booted xp pro 32bit, only 3gb showed up.

Had some trouble connecting all those psu cables, but managed to do so. Didnt bother plugging in those HD Audio front i/o wires or the ac 97, or the 1394. I only plugged in the USB and the power led, hdd led, and reset switch.

Ill try to find time to manage the cables, and ill post up some pics soon to let you see.

Try to help me with my questions. This build took us more or less 6 hours! (its my first time, so much for my tech knowledge :p )Thanks a lot!

Amuro
02-05-08, 05:22 AM
Make sure you connect the EPS/+12V motherboard connector as well, besides the 24 pin main connector.

PlayerZen14
02-05-08, 05:24 AM
Yeah i did that. I think i got all the power cables connected. Its just the sound thats the problem, as well as cable management. the only place in the apollo where i can fit some cables is in the 5.25inch bays.

PlayerZen14
02-05-08, 05:27 AM
also forgot to say- the 3870x2 shows up in Catalyst hardware info as only having 512mb of memory. thats weird, i thought the 3870x2 had 1gb ?