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borntosoul
04-26-03, 02:26 PM
check this out
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20030425193624.html

hmm it doesnt seem to be right, what are intel affraid of? it seems to me that they are quite confortable aleady so i dont see much reason to do this.

netviper13
04-26-03, 03:31 PM
Intel is afraid of having to get it right the first time. When they screwed up with the original P4 design, they still had enough of a lead over AMD that they could fix the problems with it. If the Hammer chips bring the CPU race to being neck-and-neck, Intel can't afford to have any mistakes anymore.

SavagePaladin
04-26-03, 07:48 PM
I find it sad that MS at least seems to have learned something, and Intel hasn't.

LORD-eX-Bu
04-27-03, 12:52 AM
what did MS learn?

Wanna blame somebody? Blame Western Digital for making crap hard drives that break down after a few months, the dreaded "click of death" syndrome, ahhh... music to my ears:p

I like intel lol, I don't know, I have an Athlon XP, but eh, can't bring myself to buying a serious AMD processor, don't wanna waste my money:lol:

The Baron
04-27-03, 12:53 AM
PENTIUM BUG! PENTIUM BUG! :D

SavagePaladin
04-27-03, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
what did MS learn?
they learned that pissing off customers and businesses will only come back to haunt them. so it seems to me.

LORD-eX-Bu
04-27-03, 01:53 AM
SP1 is still killing my system's performance:D No fix, and everything else they do put out only makes stuff worse:lol:

what really pisses me off is how I have to call them everytime I need to activate XP, I'm not a happy customer as of late:D

SavagePaladin
04-27-03, 02:07 AM
Well its software, theres always something to screw up. Ya can't make everyone happy.

Dazz
04-27-03, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
what did MS learn?

Wanna blame somebody? Blame Western Digital for making crap hard drives that break down after a few months, the dreaded "click of death" syndrome, ahhh... music to my ears:p

I like intel lol, I don't know, I have an Athlon XP, but eh, can't bring myself to buying a serious AMD processor, don't wanna waste my money:lol: THe what now?????? I just brought a freaking WD hard drive!!!! Oh don't tell me i have to go though the same hassle as my Deskstar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SavagePaladin
04-27-03, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Dazz
THe what now?????? I just brought a freaking WD hard drive!!!! Oh don't tell me i have to go though the same hassle as my Deskstar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You probably don't. I've heard horror stories about every single hard drive manufacturer.

The Baron
04-27-03, 11:36 AM
Of my huge numbers of WD drives... I've never had a single one die. The 1 gig from 1995 is in a server now. :D

LORD-eX-Bu
04-27-03, 02:25 PM
well, this is my second WD that dies, never had a Maxtor die yet, so I got on eBay yesterday and got me one:D

netviper13
04-27-03, 07:02 PM
I've had a Maxtor and a Seagate drive die on me, but never a WD.

Riptide
04-28-03, 02:25 PM
I've seen WD, Seagate, and Maxtor drives fail in OEM compaq's at work before. I don't draw any conclusions from that though since it was only a few failures out of hundreds of PCs.

YMMV in a major way when it comes to disc drives... I like Seagate for SCSI and WD for IDE. I have never *personally* had a WD or Seagate die on me. On the other hand, I have had MAJOR problems with IBM's enterprise class SCSI drives (Ultrastar 36/73LZX)...

Riptide
04-28-03, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by reever2
Intel was never nice.
It remains to be seen if AMD is "nice" as well. Once they get in Intel's position, we'll see how they behave.

I am a skeptic. I think if the tables were turned AMD would be just as nasty if they thought they could get away with it.

The Baron
04-28-03, 04:54 PM
By the way, the Celeron 2.2Ghz costs about as much as a 2100+ Athlon. ;)

borntosoul
04-28-03, 09:30 PM
i have to agree that intel has pulled away in most benches that they've shown. but looking at the prices here in australia a p4 2400 (800 fsb)is the same price as a athlon 2700+ xp, id rather have the 2700 xp in this case, amd have lowered their prices just recently so hopefuly intel will do the same. if a p4 2600(800fsb) was as much as an 2700xp then i would buy intel, i can hold out a couple of months anyway, during that time the p4s with 800fsb and drr 3200 ram will be more mainstream and hopefully cost heaps less.

borntosoul
04-28-03, 09:41 PM
athlon xp 2700 $366............intel p4 2400 (800fsb) $360
...........xp 2800 $462....................p4 2600 (800fsb) $429
...........xp 3000 $652....................p4 2800 (800fsb) $536
.................................................. ..p4 3000 (800fsb) $795

all in australian dollars just incase anyone gets a heart attack:)
amd is still king of the value market in my book

Sazar
04-28-03, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by borntosoul
athlon xp 2700 $366............intel p4 2400 (800fsb) $360
...........xp 2800 $462....................p4 2600 (800fsb) $429
...........xp 3000 $652....................p4 2800 (800fsb) $536
.................................................. ..p4 3000 (800fsb) $795

all in australian dollars just incase anyone gets a heart attack:)
amd is still king of the value market in my book

prices will keep changing...

borntosoul
04-29-03, 01:17 AM
yes and im waiting for intels prices to go down a bit :)

Darth Rancid
04-29-03, 04:04 AM
Every last computer I have seen develope a severe freaky problem that noone could fix has had one thing in common:

They did NOT have Intel chipped mainboards.

Thats why I go with Intel every time

borntosoul
04-29-03, 04:10 AM
my athlon 1333 mhz/ddr mobo runs like a dream, had a p3 before that and that ran fine also but im going back to intel again next time round, everyone i know has an athlon xp so i want to be a bit different and i like the idea of having a springdale/800fsb p4 combo

SavagePaladin
04-29-03, 04:53 AM
my AMD machine has had several freaky problems, all fixed now but they were all due to <drumroll please> USER STUPIDITY....or general lack of knowledge....whichever works

vampireuk
04-29-03, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Darth Rancid
Every last computer I have seen develope a severe freaky problem that noone could fix has had one thing in common:

They did NOT have Intel chipped mainboards.

Thats why I go with Intel every time

Perhaps they wernt built properly:p

Lamentation
04-30-03, 12:53 AM
xp2100+ @ 2400mhz = $90