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xorbe
02-23-08, 02:31 AM
because they don't even seem to sell 7800gs/7950gt agp cards anymore...
I have a hecka fast computer and a darn agp slot. :(

Is it time to bite the bullet...
I've got 7800gs agp, 2.8 GHz A64 (1MB cache), 2GB dual DDR500 (CL2), etc

Zapablast05
02-23-08, 02:45 AM
Just buy a new motherboard.. I'm pretty sure you can get a decent S939 motherboard. You have this Mach Speed MSNV-939 from tigerdirect.com http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2604788&body=REVIEWS#tabs

And there's this Jetway J939GT4-SLI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153069

Atomizer
02-23-08, 05:14 AM
IMO, your CPU will bottleneck with the 8xxx/9xxx series anyway, just save your money and upgrade in one hit, fast computers can be had for VERY cheap nowdays.
Someone I know recently built an entire computer for about $1k USD, which includes 2GB ram, Core 2 Duo E8400(I think), and a 8800GT 512mb, this also includes a 20" widescreen LCD monitor, so just doing an upgrade of some internals will turn out cheaper.

Intel17
02-23-08, 06:25 AM
IMO, your CPU will bottleneck with the 8xxx/9xxx series anyway, just save your money and upgrade in one hit, fast computers can be had for VERY cheap nowdays.
Someone I know recently built an entire computer for about $1k USD, which includes 2GB ram, Core 2 Duo E8400(I think), and a 8800GT 512mb, this also includes a 20" widescreen LCD monitor, so just doing an upgrade of some internals will turn out cheaper.

I agree with you, Atomizer.

@ the OP:

I was in the EXACT same position as you were; I had a 7800GS, 2GB DDR400, and a Pentium D 925. Now, I'd hit an upgrade ceiling since my motherboard couldn't really support any Core 2 chips and my motherboard had no PCI-E slot. However, when I did decide to upgrade, I just went balls-to-the-walls new rig: Core 2 Quad Q6600, GeForce 8800GT, 2GB DDR-2, and a P5K-Deluxe, 500GB HD, 650W PSU, and a few DVD-R drives. The whole setup cost me barely $1k, and the difference is HUGE.

So, yeah, to summarize my long-winded rant, save your $ for one total system upgrade rather than trying to keep your current machine on lifesupport -- it'll be much better. :)

shabby
02-23-08, 10:08 AM
Didnt you hear? Agp is dead.

Pimpdad
02-23-08, 03:53 PM
I'm actually in the same position right now too. Here's what I have:

AMD 4400 X2 2.4Ghz s939 Processor
2GB DDR RAM 400Mhz
2 WD Raptor 10K RPM HDs
Nvidia 7800GS AGP

I've been trying to decide whether I should wait until the NForce 790i and Geforce9 series comes out or if I should buy now. Any recommendations are welcome.

stncttr908
02-23-08, 06:19 PM
I'm actually in the same position right now too. Here's what I have:

AMD 4400 X2 2.4Ghz s939 Processor
2GB DDR RAM 400Mhz
2 WD Raptor 10K RPM HDs
Nvidia 7800GS AGP

I've been trying to decide whether I should wait until the NForce 790i and Geforce9 series comes out or if I should buy now. Any recommendations are welcome.
I'd wait. You've waiting this long, what's another 1-2 months? (nana2)

LORD-eX-Bu
02-23-08, 06:24 PM
AGP? :udawg:

Lenin
02-23-08, 06:29 PM
I'm actually in the same position right now too. Here's what I have:

AMD 4400 X2 2.4Ghz s939 Processor
2GB DDR RAM 400Mhz
2 WD Raptor 10K RPM HDs
Nvidia 7800GS AGP

I've been trying to decide whether I should wait until the NForce 790i and Geforce9 series comes out or if I should buy now. Any recommendations are welcome.
Buy now. 9 series is just a rebadged 8 series w/ 3-sli support - not worth waiting for in the least :thumbdwn:
nForce chipset is worthless too, better get an x38 one :D

Toss3
02-23-08, 06:33 PM
I'm actually in the same position right now too. Here's what I have:

AMD 4400 X2 2.4Ghz s939 Processor
2GB DDR RAM 400Mhz
2 WD Raptor 10K RPM HDs
Nvidia 7800GS AGP

I've been trying to decide whether I should wait until the NForce 790i and Geforce9 series comes out or if I should buy now. Any recommendations are welcome.
Not worth waiting, just get your system now and you'll be happy! Don't get an nvidia chipset unless you're going to go SLi, and the 9000-series of cards are said to be only re branded g90s. So wait 'til the new intel quads hit the markets and the new intel x48 chipset. :)

xorbe
02-24-08, 04:37 AM
I also have an AGP 2.8GHz P4 (northwood) with a 6800gt from 2001 (!) and we still use it to play a lot of today's games! It's starting to slow up though finally even at 1280x1024 and lowered gfx options. But damn, 7+ years on that mobo+cpu.

I built that A64 machine quite a while too, another of my most reliable machines, that's why I hesitate to replace it. It works so great for so long unlike many other machines I've had. Lol hdd better not fail tomorrow...

Yeah I'd like to hold out for another 6 months (?) and see how the quad market shakes out.

Digital_Trans
02-24-08, 05:37 AM
AGP is dead and PCI-Express 2.0 is the future so forget about any 8,9 series AGP card folks. NVIDIA won't even do it for a profit like they did with the 7-series.

killahsin
02-24-08, 11:09 PM
Buy now. 9 series is just a rebadged 8 series w/ 3-sli support - not worth waiting for in the least :thumbdwn:
nForce chipset is worthless too, better get an x38 one :D

2 9600 gts stomps the 8800 ultra so id say theres a bit more to the 9 series then meets the eyes.

ViN86
02-24-08, 11:28 PM
where's that guy that used to be here every other day saying how AGP is better than PCIe?

LOL :rofl

rage10
02-24-08, 11:29 PM
I went agp to save money and it ended up costing more for lower performance.:( get a mew mother board. you be glad you did.
on a lighter note, I might build a new rig after the summer.:)

LORD-eX-Bu
02-24-08, 11:36 PM
where's that guy that used to be here every other day saying how AGP is better than PCIe?

LOL :rofl

oh god don't remind me :headexplode:

gstanford
02-25-08, 09:22 AM
I have too many older (but still fantastic in their day) AGP video cards to just give up completely on AGP.

I do run PCI-e in my main rig of course, but I have a couple of these MSI K9MM-V systems also (no, I'm not in any way affiliated with the links below - just an example to show how these boards can be obtained if you can't find them easily in store).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MSI-K9MM-V-All-In-One-Socket-AM2-Motherboard-w-AGP8x_W0QQitemZ350029795606QQihZ022QQcategoryZ1491 73QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/COMBO-AMD64-Athlon-X2-6000-MSI-K9MM-V-w-AGP-8x-NEW_W0QQitemZ350029857534QQihZ022QQcategoryZ149173 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Given that 2 gigs of DDR-2 is dirt cheap ($69.00AU) and an AMD 6000+ is ridiculously cheap compared to the original socket 939 X2 cpu's, you can build an extremely capable modern AGP system for very little money.

nekrosoft13
02-25-08, 09:50 AM
people still looking for AGP cards?

gstanford
02-25-08, 10:13 AM
More like people still have (relatively) decent AGP cards they would like to continue get some use out of. A system like I suggested above means you will be able to do some decent work with the system to compared to an old Socket A/P4 system.

Speaking of looking though, I am on the lookout for a 5800/5800U (just for curiosity sake).

Lenin
02-25-08, 04:42 PM
2 9600 gts stomps the 8800 ultra
No they don't. In some games they're about as fast as a single ultra, in others they're faster, but never that much that you could say "stomped" -that's a vast exaggeration :thumbdwn:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MSI-K9MM-V-All-In-One-Socket-AM2-Motherboard-w-AGP8x_W0QQitemZ350029795606QQihZ022QQcategoryZ1491 73QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/COMBO-AMD64-Athlon-X2-6000-MSI-K9MM-V-w-AGP-8x-NEW_W0QQitemZ350029857534QQihZ022QQcategoryZ149173 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:lol2: :rofl (rofl2) :lol2: :rofl (rofl2) :lol2: :rofl (rofl2)
Thanks for a good laugh... you must really be bloody retarded to actually pay money for an agp mainboard, especially if it's more than a one-digit sum. It seems stupid people never die out :D

gstanford
02-25-08, 05:53 PM
Thanks for a good laugh... you must really be bloody retarded to actually pay money for an agp mainboard, especially if it's more than a one-digit sum. It seems stupid people never die out

What is your problem? I still have quite a few older AGP cards. The motherboard is socket AM2. That means everything I plug into it (bar the old cards) can also be plugged into a PCI-e motherboard.

Granted, the board is VIA chipset, but, this can actually be an advantage for once, since its very easy to run Win98SE on the system (7-jan-08 98SE drivers -- when was the last time nvidia released 98SE drivers for the nForce series?)

with the exception of not accepting PCI-e cards (big whoop) the board is as good any other entry level board out there, so again, exactly what is your problem, or are *you* the retard here? (I know what my opinion on that is...)

Lenin
02-25-08, 06:48 PM
Granted, the board is VIA chipset, but, this can actually be an advantage for once, since its very easy to run Win98SE on the system
You got me there... being able to run 98se on it is such an immense advantage! Why should anyone ever want to run anything else!? :tool:

(7-jan-08 98SE drivers -- when was the last time nvidia released 98SE drivers for the nForce series?)
Did it ever enter your mind that they stopped 98se drivers because pretty much no one is using that old crap anymore?

gstanford
02-25-08, 07:00 PM
Did it ever occur to you that the reason people don't bother much with Win9x anymore is that hardware companies deliberately made it difficult/impossible to use with their more recent products due to no driver support?

There are quite few applications that run better or with fewer hassles under win9x than they do under an NT based OS.

Who are you to tell people what they should and should not do anyhow? Some products are more appropriate than others for certain applications (like the motherboards I linked for running older cards and older OS'es for older applications).

I know very well that the future lies with PCI-e - check my rig out in my signature. That won't stop me from also making use of products/apps that were great in the past.

Now shut your ignorant, opiniated mouth and take your hate elsewhere, thank you very much.

Lenin
02-25-08, 07:21 PM
Did it ever occur to you that the reason people don't bother much with Win9x anymore is -blah-
Actually, the reason why people don't use Win9x anymore is its piss-poor stability, compared to WinNT 4.0 and above.

Now shut your ignorant, opiniated mouth and take your hate elsewhere, thank you very much.
Looks rather like the hate is coming from you - and just because I said bad things about your oh-so-great Win98se. Ok, if you insist on living in the past, suit yourself.

gstanford
02-25-08, 07:25 PM
I don't live in the past -- see my rig.

You are the one who came into this thread stirring up trouble (and the mods have been alerted to that fact).