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netape
08-24-02, 06:06 AM
I'm thinking about changing my good ol' gf2 mx400 ;) And I was thinking that should I buy a Geforce 4 Ti X or should I just wait for R9700/nv30 to drop down in price? (I've been waiting for a long time now :D )

And if I bought a geforce 4 Ti X now, could play Doom 3 with it? (I play at 1024x768 mostly/always :)), I don't want to buy a new card every year :D .

Thanks :)

Whee, this is the 1337 post in this NVIDIA Cards forum :D lol

Uttar
08-24-02, 06:29 AM
With a GF4 Ti4600, i think you COULD play Doom3 - but with medimum settings ( or maybe less, not sure ), 1024x768 and no AA/Aniso.

Not sure however. That's just AFAIK


Uttar

ss1
08-24-02, 10:23 AM
Unless you plan to buy a Ti 4200 then don't bother. If you have the cash for the Ti4600 then go look at a R9700 instead. However if you are paitent then get a NV30, providing it comes out in a timely mannor.


ss1.

netape
08-24-02, 12:55 PM
But ti 4600 doesn't cost too much anymore (atleast in USA, but in here it does :D)... I was thinking of spending like 200-250 $/ on a video card, so should I wait for R 9500 or buy a Ti 4200-4400 now?

ATI LoVeR 9700
08-24-02, 01:12 PM
Buy the 9700 over the TI 4600, as it delivers alot more. For a price a 374 shipped, and kicking the Geforce4's arse by a huge margin, it's alot better to buy a 9700.

If you can wait, buy an NV30, but I don't know how well that card of yours can handle UT2003.

The Radeon 9700 can play Doom 3 at 800 x 600 with high detail settings. I'm not sure about AA and AF though, but it will kick a Geforce4s ass in that by crazy amounts.

I say again, if you can wait, check out the NV30 too. But the 9700 is an awesome card.

netape
08-24-02, 01:29 PM
But like I was saying I'm not going to buy high end card. I was thinking about ti4200-4400 or R9500, should I wait?

PreservedSwine
08-24-02, 01:35 PM
I think the Ti4200 is a great card for the price. I'm not too sure if it's worth the extra $30-$60 over an R8500, but it does outperform the R8500 by 5-10% at standard settings. If you like FSAA, 2xFSAA is usable on nearly all games, unlike the Raddy. The only trade-off is low AF performace, at which point the R8500 is the performance champ.

All in all, you can't really go wrong with either card. They are both very powerfull, and both will be able to play DOOM3,:)

LORD-eX-Bu
08-24-02, 01:40 PM
Anything with MX is not worth buying. I think the best deal out there right now is still the Geforce4 Ti 4200. You can get a brand new 128 meg version for like $130. And it is really fast, sometimes at Ti 4600 levels and it only starts to chop up a little at extreme resolutions. It is better than GF3 Ti 500 and is an NV25. I o/c'd mines to 315 Mhz Engine and 600 Mhz Memory. It ran fine. You can't go wrong with the ti 4200 and with all the money you save with it you can sell it when the nv30 comes out and have some money to put towards getting one of those! :D

DIMA
08-24-02, 01:46 PM
I agree, gf4ti4200 is definetly the best deal out there!

It will handle all current & future games with no problems (even DOOM III).

If you're on a high budget, definetly buy the R9700pro, it kicks gf4ti4600's ass hard (especially with AA, Aniso or a combination of both).

If you can wait (like I do), wait for NV30 which will kick ass and compare it to R9700pro and then make a final decision!

Whatever u do, good luck on your buy! :D

LORD-eX-Bu
08-24-02, 01:51 PM
Isn't the DOOM 3 engine built around early nvidia chipsets? I mean, I thought they said that a GF3, the 1st ones, could play the game at real time and all, or 15 fps, I forgot, but anyways, even with that, the GF4 is more than twice as powerful as the GF3, so I think GF4 would be able to play doom 3 real time seeing that you should have a decent rig to put the card into.:D

DIMA
08-24-02, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
Isn't the DOOM 3 engine built around early nvidia chipsets? I mean, I thought they said that a GF3, the 1st ones, could play the game at real time and all, or 15 fps, I forgot, but anyways, even with that, the GF4 is more than twice as powerful as the GF3, so I think GF4 would be able to play doom 3 real time seeing that you should have a decent rig to put the card into.:D

Yes, the DOOM III engine is built around the GF1 technology and according to Carmack, fully unleashes itself on NV30.

Carmack said that their target is GF3/XBox level of hardware and that GF3 will run DOOM III with all features enabled at 30fps, so yes, I do think GF4 will be plenty enough for DOOM III! :D

netape
08-24-02, 02:52 PM
Thanks for the quick replies :D

Should I buy a 128 Mb version or is 64 Mb enough?

DIMA
08-24-02, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by netape
Thanks for the quick replies :D

Should I buy a 128 Mb version or is 64 Mb enough?

Buy the 128Mb version.

LORD-eX-Bu
08-24-02, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by netape
Thanks for the quick replies :D

Should I buy a 128 Mb version or is 64 Mb enough?

A 64 meg costs less but you end up paying for it later because in the long run 128 megs wins. As the need for video memory has been increasing you shouldn't keep something that has been around for so long and will eventually if not already be limiting performance. Pay the extra $10 and get a 128 meg version. In a few months, its gonna be a must have.:eek:

StealthHawk
08-24-02, 08:17 PM
Doom 3 uses 80MB of vram in many places, so if that's what you're basing your purchase on, get the 128mb.

i wouldn't bet on the R9500, we don't even know when it is coming out, its price, or its performance. i would have to cast my vote for a ti4200.

thcdru2k
08-24-02, 08:39 PM
it all depends what your going to do.

if you cant afford the radeon 9700..than the geforce4 ti4200 is the best deal of any card and will be playable with doom iii

if you just want a card that will be good enough for todays games and you plan on upgrading when doom iii comes out, for about half the price of a ti4200 you can get yourself an original geforce 3 which is only around 75 bucks. it is faster than the more expensive ti200 strangely.

ATI LoVeR 9700
08-25-02, 12:02 AM
Buy a TI 4200 for now, and upgrade to a new card when Doom 3 shows up.

thcdru2k
08-25-02, 12:15 AM
geforce4 prices should really drop because of the r9700..just wait a week or so

Uttar
08-25-02, 03:20 AM
Originally posted by thcdru2k
geforce4 prices should really drop because of the r9700..just wait a week or so

GF4 prices *already* dropped. They might drop a little more soon, however, because it's likely nVidia won't just stand there waiting to lose market share - the NV28 will most likely be in stores in the next 50 days i think.

After all, the NV30 was supposed to be announced in August - but .13 delays and a few bugs stopped it. The NV28 should be on track since it's .15


Uttat

DIMA
08-25-02, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
NV28 will most likely be in stores in the next 50 days i think.
Uttat

Don't count on that...

Latest rumours seem to suggest that it will ship together with NV30, since the GF4TI cards are selling well and it's too early to replace them with NV28 yet...

bkswaney
08-25-02, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by DIMA


Don't count on that...

Latest rumours seem to suggest that it will ship together with NV30, since the GF4TI cards are selling well and it's too early to replace them with NV28 yet...


I agree. I just got my Ti4600 3 months ago.
So really the NV30 is on time. "every 6 to 8 months"

PreservedSwine
08-25-02, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by bkswaney



I agree. I just got my Ti4600 3 months ago.
So really the NV30 is on time. "every 6 to 8 months"

*cough cough*

Uttar
08-25-02, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by DIMA


Don't count on that...

Latest rumours seem to suggest that it will ship together with NV30, since the GF4TI cards are selling well and it's too early to replace them with NV28 yet...

Maybe, maybe. But no matter what, they'll HAVE to release a new notebook chip really soon. The R250 should be ported to the notebook sector very soon and with nVidia new ambition to have 40% of the notebook sector, they'll likely release the NV18 very soon anyway.

Remember that there were rumors months ago that the NV18 would be announced about in July.

Anyway, i am CERTAIN the NV28 will be there *before* the NV30.

Maybe the paper launch will be at about the same time ( october ) , but if that's the case, the NV28 will still be in stores maybe 30 days after that paper launch while the NV30 might need 50-70 days.


Uttar

suburbanguy
08-25-02, 07:09 PM
Whatever you decide, don't get any version of the GeForce"4"MX
because it really is not a GF4 at all--its GeForce2MX with a few more features. Its not even on par with GF3. No DX8 shaders on GF"4"MX.

I would get GF4Ti4200 or the Radeon9700.

NV30 isn't likely to be here until December at the soonest, and it'll likely cost $500+ and might not be worth it over the R9700.

I'm going to skip NV30 and get a NV3X part when NV35 arrives in the spring with better performance. refresh is always the best way to go. just like GeForce4 Ti series is this best way to go when looking at a NV2X part. GF4Ti is a good refresh of the NV20/GF3.

CainSyris
08-25-02, 10:58 PM
Newegg:


Radeon 8500LE (No DVI) 128 meg: $115
Radeon 9000 Pro Bulk: $89
ALBATRON GeForce 4 TI4200P (NVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200 GPU), 128MB DDR, DVI+VGA TV-Out: $150
ALBATRON GeForce 4 TI4400 (NVIDIA GeForce4 TI4400 GPU), 128MB DDR. TV-Out: $183
VGA CHAINTECH GEFORCE4 TI4600 128MB VGA & TV-OUT, DVI OUT. RETAIL BOX: $239.99
ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB DDR TV/DVI 8X AGP OEM: $389


I think the Ti4600 is a good deal atm, but so is the Ti4400. Hence, why the Ti4400's are sold out atm at Newegg. ;) 30 dollars more and you get a Ti4400 instead of that Ti4200. Though perhaps I missed some of the Ti4200's, but the lowercost ones were all 64 meg instead of 128 meg.

Hope that helps.