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Buckeye
03-04-08, 10:04 PM
Not much but something, will post more when I find them.

http://www.techpowerup.com/54339/GeForce_9800_GTX_Close-Up_Pictures.html

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=244560

jcrox
03-04-08, 10:32 PM
I thought the 9800GTX was supposed to be the G100 chip.... those say they are G92.



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Amuro
03-04-08, 10:33 PM
How do you tell it's the 9800GTX by looking at the PCB pics?

Buckeye
03-04-08, 10:45 PM
Well it says GeForce 9800 GTX Close-Up Pictures the internet doesn't lie !

jcrox
03-04-08, 10:53 PM
G92-420-A2 ... the 8800GTS is G92-400-A2

I'm not at all believing that's a 9800GTX

so again:


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Buckeye
03-04-08, 11:02 PM
This is where i spotted the info

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178783

The 9600GT is a new rev of the G92 core with fewer shaders, and some optimizations. It performs extremely close to the 8800GT even though the clocks and number of shaders would suggest otherwise.

The 9800GTX will use a new rev of the G92 core, the G92-420.

Since the G94 core supports newer openGL version than the original G92 core, and the new G92 core now supports the newer openGL standards, it is pretty safe to say the new G92 rev also received these shader optimizations.


Another

9800GTX information sum-up (including nude PCB leak pic)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179418


http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/05/leak%ef%bc%819800gtx-sample-pics-are-everywhere/


This is it

K007
03-05-08, 02:47 PM
GX2 is supposed to be a G98 :O

Feyy
03-05-08, 03:22 PM
9 series is like the FX series now, has fail written all over it.

XMAN52373
03-05-08, 03:37 PM
9 series is like the FX series now, has fail written all over it.

Not hardly, the FX series(all of them) was fail from start. The 9800 line is simply a refresh. A huge difference there.

Uberpwnage
03-05-08, 04:28 PM
GX2 is supposed to be a G98 :O

Amazing how fast this has spread, unfortunately it was a typo, and has since been fixed in the bit-tech article.

Greasy
03-05-08, 05:41 PM
Planning on stepping up my two 8800GTs to 9800GTXs. Hope they come in around $399. That would be sweet!

Madpistol
03-05-08, 06:11 PM
This is not the Geforce FX fiasco all over again. This is more like the step from the 6800 Ultra to the 7800 GTX. It's a product refresh, but it doesn't really introduce anything new. However, it does have slightly higher performance than its predecessor.

None the less, some die hard fans are going to be disappointed with the 9800 GTX. I know I won't be getting it. My 8800 GTX is only about 10-20% (if that) away from the new 9800. I'll pass. :thumbdwn:

sammy sung
03-05-08, 06:35 PM
No one has yet prestented a reliable test/final specs so claimed the 10-20% difference in perfomance is perhaps a tad too soon dont you think ? There will be plenty of time to dismiss the card once its out, personally i want to see benches other than 3dmark done with final hardware with fitting drivers before i go that far.

jcrox
03-05-08, 06:47 PM
If all we get after a year and half is small speed bump, a la 7800s to 7900s, that will suck :(

ATI/AMD would be darn happy though... this could be a real opportunity for them to catch up to or maybe even pass nVidia performance wise.

Uberpwnage
03-05-08, 06:51 PM
If ATI was to pass nvidia by a large enough margin, I'm sure they'd respond with full force. There's no way this is all they have after a year and a half, they have another chip just waiting. After the release of G80, how were they supposed to know that there wouldn't be anymore competition by this time? Since R700 is a dual gpu solution like the 3870X2, a true next-gen single GPU from nvidia would surpass it IMO, atleast come close, which for 1GPU vs 2, isn't really a loss. I for one will always prefer a single GPU card over dual, and I'm sure alot of people would agree.

As far as the 9800GTX, it presents NO benefit at all over the 8800GTX, and is a step back in some cases...no way am I giving up 30GB/s of bandwidth along with 256MB vram for $400. So unless something changes like improvements to the GTX's G92, I see it as worse then the 6800 to 7800 transition. If they can get the driver support for the GX2/quad SLI to be decent, then it *may* warrant an "upgrade", but the GTX is dead as far as I am concerned at this point. It's really sad to think that a 9800GTX in 2008 still has the same 256-bit GDDR3 that was in the 6800 series in 2004, and the same 512MB that was available shortly afterwards. In the same time period we've moved from DDR1 to DDR3, single core to quad core, and 800MHz FSB to 1600MHz FSB... G80 was a step forward that has since been erased.

jcrox
03-05-08, 06:58 PM
If ATI was to pass nvidia by a large enough margin, I'm sure they'd respond with full force. There's no way this is all they have after a year and a half, they have another chip just waiting. After the release of G80, how were they supposed to know that there wouldn't be anymore competition by this time?

if they actually had a much better chip ready and waiting to go.... why would they not bring it out and proceed to erect a tombstone over ATI? You could be right... but I'm thinking it might be closer to the truth to figure that after a year and a half this is all we're getting because of the amount of resources they had to expend to develop Vista drivers :headexplode:

Uberpwnage
03-05-08, 07:25 PM
Why kill off ATI now when they can still make a huge profit selling G92's? Nvidia probably views ATI's demise as inevitable, so they're trying to maximize profit in the interim period. The amount of resources involved is far greater to actually launch the product now, wasting their entire inventory of G92's, and rushing out a super expensive next gen chip when it has nothing to outdo but their current line. Also, if they release before ATI, then ATI can make changes to their architecture to compete more effectively. They're simply giving ATI a false sense of security. Whether they kill them now or 6 months from now is irrelevent, the money the make during that period isn't. I'm not saying ATI is doomed for sure, but from nvidia's perspective, atleast financially, they have the upperhand, and can thus call the shots.