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sancheuz
08-22-02, 09:13 AM
We want to know if you are going to get a 9700, or wait for the nv30, compare it with the 9700, and get the best one. Thanks for your vote! :)

SnakeEyes
08-22-02, 10:05 AM
It's a timing thing, combined with a need thing..

Timing: The only real money I can budget to upgrading comes in the March-May time of each year.

Need: My Ti4600 hasn't suddenly gotten slower just because the 9700 is coming out. In fact, it could last me far beyond next spring, if I wasn't such a gotta have the high-end sorta nut.

And why don't some of you other voters express you're logic (or lack of it) behind the votes you made? Or is this an anonymous poll? :p

druga runda
08-22-02, 10:15 AM
Check this here and it will be easier for you to decide :D

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1686&p=4

nin_fragile14
08-22-02, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by druga runda
Check this here and it will be easier for you to decide :D

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1686&p=4

Wow.

But I'm going to try and hold off for the NV30, so that prices drop.

jnd3
08-22-02, 11:15 AM
Why I want to wait:

1) I haven't gotten a game yet that isn't at least playable on my (not quite antiquated) system, so I can hold off on the upgrade for a little while longer. Besides, I'll be able to get more CPU and memory horsepower for the buck that way!

2) I own Nvidia stock. Like I'm going to contribute money to their competition! :)

Historically for me, it's always been a piece of software that pushes the upgrade. The Star Wars Screen Entertainment package pushed me from a 386 to a 486. Quake (and a free processor) pushed me from there to a Pentium Pro. Shogun: Total War pushed me to my current system. And I imagine it'll be Doom 3 that pushes the next upgrade (unless the Raven Shield or Splinter Cell requirements exceed the wooly mammoth that I call a computer).

Cheers,
JND

Nutty
08-22-02, 11:23 AM
I'm waiting for NV30. I'm a bit of a loyal nvidia follower. So unless they fudge themselves over I'll be sticking with them. Plus it gives me a few more months to save up for it.

Megatron
08-22-02, 11:39 AM
Well im going to go with the 9700 because I prefer ATIs products. Everyone likes what they like.
I have owned and used some Nvidia cards, even as recently as a GF2 GTS, and would be interested to see the Nv30.....IF it was going to be released anywhere close to the 9700.

The 9700 is here now. (some people have already recieved their pre orders from ATI)..I just cant see waiting another 4 months or so to find out the Nv30 is basically the same thing. The techs here now..why wait.

Spectral
08-22-02, 12:02 PM
Ill be getting the 9700, but if I had to actually pay the $399 I would wait for the NV30.

Go to CompUSA, and buy the 9700 and get a replacement plan. When the NV30 comes out.. Take your 9700 back and say you want the NV30 and poof.. You get your NV30. Pay for another replacement plan on your NV30, and replace that when the NV35 or whatever the next chip you want comes out.

saturnotaku
08-22-02, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Spectral
Go to CompUSA, and buy the 9700 and get a replacement plan. When the NV30 comes out.. Take your 9700 back and say you want the NV30 and poof.. You get your NV30. Pay for another replacement plan on your NV30, and replace that when the NV35 or whatever the next chip you want comes out.

Do you have to tell them the 9700 is defective or anything or do they take it back no questions asked?

volt
08-22-02, 12:41 PM
sancheuz you missed one thing though:
"buy NV30 whatever happens"
:D

pelly
08-22-02, 02:31 PM
No question, NV30 is the next card for me.......This is the first time since the original GeForce that I have anticipated a card this much!

:D

Bigus Dickus
08-22-02, 04:45 PM
I just hope you won't be dissapointed if it has R300 features and R300 performance. ;)

sancheuz
08-22-02, 05:32 PM
You are right d1rx... :) But, I mean it figures, the nv30 will most likely be better then the 9700, so if you compare and get the best, you'll definitely get the nv30. I stated it wrong though you are right.. thanks for the correction.

Acid Rain
08-22-02, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by saturnotaku


Do you have to tell them the 9700 is defective or anything or do they take it back no questions asked?
Doesn't matter. Either way you are bogging down the system and cheating everyone. A big thanks to everyone who does this kind of thing.

There is supposed to be something wrong with it that the manufacturer's warrantee covers (not abuse), but they would probably let you do it regardless, with the right story.

Dispicable...

john19055
08-22-02, 08:35 PM
Since I just got my TI4600 about four or five months ago and it will play any game out right now,I think I will wait until next year and by then we should no what the best deals are and witch one is the fastest for the money you have to pay.Besides I think my next upgrade will be AMD XP2600 or the XP2800 if they go to a 333 bus.

nin_fragile14
08-23-02, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by saturnotaku


Do you have to tell them the 9700 is defective or anything or do they take it back no questions asked?


I'm interested in how this works too---sounds like a heck of a deal. (I heard another guy mention it in the Beyond3d forums, but didn't go into detail).

StealthHawk
08-23-02, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Shadowcast

Doesn't matter. Either way you are bogging down the system and cheating everyone. A big thanks to everyone who does this kind of thing.

There is supposed to be something wrong with it that the manufacturer's warrantee covers (not abuse), but they would probably let you do it regardless, with the right story.

Dispicable...

people always abuse the system :p :(

are you sure that's how it's supposed to be? or is it really an exchange program? people have mentioned this before, but no one gave any further details.

jbirney
08-23-02, 08:07 AM
I may get one. neither my GF4 Ti4200 or my 8500 can run every game I have today at max settings. Both have quirks when it comes to AA or AF. 8500 AA is more complete but too slow for x4 and they have issues at 45 deg with AF. GF4 AA does not do alpha (yes I still play CS and this looks horrible) and max aniso causes perfromance to drop. So for the games I have today I have to make trade offs. The R9700, according to the reviews will allow me the best of both NOW. The DX9+ that the nV30 have will be useless for me as it wont ever show up in the life time that I have the card. I also dont think the nV30 will have that much of a profromance gain over the R9700. Why wait for a 10% gain when I can spend 3 months actually playing games with the R9700. There is always something faster coming down the road.

Spectral
08-23-02, 09:45 AM
Its a replacement plan. The people at CompUSA told me that I could take a sledgehammer to my card and get it replaced regardless.

I found out that I could go between companies when I first bought my VisionTek GeForce3... The fan on the CPU stopped working and it burned out my chip because I had it overclocked. When I took it back to CompUSA there were no GeForce3s in stock at all. They told me to just pick whatever I wanted and that it did not need to be the same card, or the same manufacturer... So, I got a Radeon 8500.

I hated the 8500, and went back the next day and got a Ti500 that they just got in stock... So, when the Ti4600s rolled around.. I took in my Ti500 and said I wanted to replace it with the Ti4600.
They simply said Ok... They didnt ask me if anything was broken. They didnt make me sit down and take some big test, they simply replaced the card... Im gonna do the same thing when the 9700 Pro hits the shelves. If they decide to tell me then that thats not how it works, then so be it. But Ive also done the same thing when going from Klipsch 4.1s to Klipsch 5.1s.

I had the replacement plan for those, and when the 5.1s came out, I went in and said I wanted the 5.1s.. They said ok, and all I had to do was cover the difference.

PreservedSwine
08-23-02, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by jbirney
I may get one. neither my GF4 Ti4200 or my 8500 can run every game I have today at max settings. Both have quirks when it comes to AA or AF. 8500 AA is more complete but too slow for x4 and they have issues at 45 deg with AF. GF4 AA does not do alpha (yes I still play CS and this looks horrible) and max aniso causes perfromance to drop. So for the games I have today I have to make trade offs. The R9700, according to the reviews will allow me the best of both NOW. The DX9+ that the nV30 have will be useless for me as it wont ever show up in the life time that I have the card. I also dont think the nV30 will have that much of a profromance gain over the R9700. Why wait for a 10% gain when I can spend 3 months actually playing games with the R9700. There is always something faster coming down the road.

I think you hit the nail on the head ther, jbirney. It has been trade-offs. R8500 faster (but incomplete) AF- only time I ever could notice it (the 45 degree issue)was during flight sims- but I love flight sims. The FSAA on the Raddy looked grat, but what a performance hog- couldn't really use it.

Althought he FSAA on the Geforce was much faster than the Radeon, it was like blurville, USA. The aniso on the geforce was nice, but not as sharp as the R8500, although it did filter then entire screen, even 45 degree angles from the z-axis, but did so with a rather severe performace hit.

The R9700 gives the best of all worlds in the FSAA and A.F. dept.s. I'll probably wait until the NV30 is released, the see how many beans I have in the old bank acct. and but the cheapest one- both should be within 10% or so in terms of performance, but something tells me the NV30 will be selling for $400+, while the R9700 will be less than $300 by then, probably Feb.

Moose
08-23-02, 11:58 AM
I'm going to wait but it probably won't be for four months.
I suspect that we will probably getting some good info in a month or two on the NV30 and that may be enough to decide which one to get.

If we get info that says NV30 will be about the same as the R9700 but will be delayed until next year, then I'll probably go with the R9700.

If we get info saying the NV30 will totally smoke the R9700 and will be delayed then it will be a tougher choice.

Best case scenario is that we get info saying it will totally smoke the R9700 and it will make the Holiday deadline.

Either one you get is probably going to last a very long time in your system.

sancheuz
08-23-02, 11:58 AM
well it might be manufacturing tricks or methods from nvidia, but i do know that nvidia said the nv30 would be the biggest leap in graphics in 10 years. I think nvidia has something big up their sleeves. That is why i am going to wait for the nv30. I think we might see more than a 10 percent performance increase over the 9700. I might be wrong, but i feel something alot bigger then the radeon.

saturnotaku
08-23-02, 11:59 AM
It doesn't matter now because I just had some expenses come up and I'm in no position to do anything at this time so I won't be abusing the system.

And for God's sake, it's spelled warranty. That drives me insane when people spell it wrong and I see it all the freaking time.

PreservedSwine
08-23-02, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by sancheuz
well it might be manufacturing tricks or methods from nvidia, but i do know that nvidia said the nv30 would be the biggest leap in graphics in 10 years. I think nvidia has something big up their sleeves. That is why i am going to wait for the nv30. I think we might see more than a 10 percent performance increase over the 9700. I might be wrong, but i feel something alot bigger then the radeon.

Well, if you feel that way, it's just your gut, not any logic. Nvidia has stated publicly that NV30 will be roughly 2-2.5X the performance of GeForce 4 Ti. But as *everyones* data have shown, Radeon 9700 is often ahead of the GeForce 4 Ti by that margin, which leads us to consider that Radeon 9700 and NV30 may be more evenly matched than previous top-end offerings from both chipmakers. Add to the mix that ATI has several products based on the Radeon 9700 core brewing, and that R9700 has support for DDR-II memory and is still running on 0.15-micron process technology, and you can see that NV30 will have its work cut out for it when it arrives....

from http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,476134,00.asp

PreservedSwine
08-23-02, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Moose

If we get info that says NV30 will be about the same as the R9700 but will be delayed until next year, then I'll probably go with the R9700.

Either one you get is probably going to last a very long time in your system.

You may want to check this out:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=974

Basically, it boils down to this:Bottom line is that we can almost guarantee that there will be NV30 on the shelves in December but those may not be representative for the mass production that, if everything goes well, can be expected in February.