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slaWter
03-28-08, 06:03 AM
Interesting!

55nm TSMC process
480 SP (4D+1D) - 1D consists of 96 SP
32 TMU
800-900MHz core clock
PCB design similar to RV670
Replace current RV670 price point

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/RV770/1.gif

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=255294

SH64
03-28-08, 06:28 AM
Hmm looks good but is that all ? only more TMU's & SP's ? no changes in the GPU architecture ??

Revs
03-28-08, 06:53 AM
The 4870 has 1Gb RAM but 256-bit bus :o What's the point? I bet the extra 512mb of GDDR5 adds a fair bit to the cost too.

Otherwise looking good. Cards now-a-days are amazingly cheap. Looking forward to benchies :D

PlayerZen14
03-28-08, 06:57 AM
4870x2 with 960 sp, 2teraflops, 1gb gddr5 and a core clock of 1050mhz???!!! cant be true :nono:

MUYA
03-28-08, 07:11 AM
I presume 32 TMU means ROPS? Double that of the R600. Maybe that would certainly boost AA performance with new AA alogs etc? Rather than implementing AA through shaders? Just a guess

Feyy
03-28-08, 10:46 AM
4870 Crossfire ftw, might turn to the Darkside soon (lee)

KasuCode
03-28-08, 03:52 PM
This is yet again fake. Newshunter is just trying to start rumors. This is the same **** from last month. And he has no source.

First news will most likely come from chipzilla.

Uberpwnage
03-28-08, 09:13 PM
The 4870 has 1Gb RAM but 256-bit bus :o What's the point? I bet the extra 512mb of GDDR5 adds a fair bit to the cost too.
Well, if the specs are real, and the chart is consistent, that would make mean the memory on the 4870 would be running at 4400MHz (effective), making it the highest bandwidth card in history

256-bit / 8 = 32
32*4400MHz = 140800 = 140.8GB/s

The extra vram would certainly be usable. At a glance, it looks like the speed has already been doubled, but remember it's GDDR5. double the speed of the GDDR4, that's 2400MHz - normal for GDDR4, and so on. The 256-bit bus is not automatically limited, with higher clocks it can be just as effective as 384-bit and 512-bit. Unfortunately, looks like it's some of the same rumors that have been floating around for months, nothing to be taken seriously.

XMAN52373
03-28-08, 09:58 PM
Interesting!

55nm TSMC process
480 SP (4D+1D) - 1D consists of 96 SP
32 TMU
800-900MHz core clock
PCB design similar to RV670
Replace current RV670 price point

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/RV770/1.gif

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=255294

A single chip solution that might actually compete with the 8800GTX. I say 8800GTX because the 9800GTX is a G92, which is, IMHO, a lesser chip compared to the G80.

AthlonXP1800
03-28-08, 10:23 PM
A single chip solution that might actually compete with the 8800GTX. I say 8800GTX because the 9800GTX is a G92, which is, IMHO, a lesser chip compared to the G80.

No, a single RV770 chip cant compete with Geforce 9800GTX so it going to target upcoming Geforce 9800GT in Q2 2008.

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspics/Mar08/28/amdvsnv.gif

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/AMD_%26_Nvidia_New_Graphics_Cards_Line-Up_For_Q2/5679.html

AMD new Q2 lineup is a joke again, a single Geforce 9800GTX destroyed HD3870X2 in most benchmarks. I cant believe AMD going to release pathetic HD3850X2, they should not make it.

KasuCode
03-28-08, 10:35 PM
No, a single RV770 chip cant compete with Geforce 9800GTX so it going to target upcoming Geforce 9800GT in Q2 2008.



Lets trust something "compiled by vr-zone" 3-5 months before a product comes out. Or before any real information about the card is released. Not only that but all that says is the price range of the cards. Not this is how the cards will compair.

Uberpwnage
03-28-08, 11:09 PM
No, a single RV770 chip cant compete with Geforce 9800GTX so it going to target upcoming Geforce 9800GT in Q2 2008.

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspics/Mar08/28/amdvsnv.gif

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/AMD_%26_Nvidia_New_Graphics_Cards_Line-Up_For_Q2/5679.html

AMD new Q2 lineup is a joke again, a single Geforce 9800GTX destroyed HD3870X2 in most benchmarks. I cant believe AMD going to release pathetic HD3850X2, they should not make it.
Everyone knows AMD doesn't care about real world performance, they only care about 3Dmarks. The ASUS HD3850X3 (yes it's real) broke the single card 3Dmark03 WR (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=182166)!!11

walterman
03-29-08, 12:50 AM
Certainly, the R600 had several flaws, and one of them was the TMU count. This new chip should perform much better with these changes.

But, they're still using the same config in the SPs, so, they still need to extract 5 instructions of the shader to exec, so, i still think that the chip could be less efficient than the old G80.

But, they raised the core clock a 40%, and it has 50% more SPs than the R600, so, the chip should perform more than 2x times faster than the R600, just by brute force.

Add the rest of tweaks that we dunno & nVidia will need something better than a relaunched G80, to face this new chip, no doubt.

slaWter
03-29-08, 06:06 AM
Add the rest of tweaks that we dunno & nVidia will need something better than a relaunched G80, to face this new chip, no doubt.

That's the best part about this new ATI products. If ATI ends up faster nV has to launch its new generation earlier.

Xion X2
03-29-08, 10:43 AM
AMD:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/476/groinbaseballdr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Redeemed
03-29-08, 01:42 PM
AMD:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/476/groinbaseballdr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that what you tell yourself everytime you power up your XBOX 360? ;)

If it wasn't for AMD, we wouldn't be seeing the incredibly low prices for video cards and CPUs that we're seeing. The initiated this price war, and here's hoping they'll pop out a product that is rather competitive this round.

walterman
03-29-08, 03:59 PM
If it wasn't for AMD, we wouldn't be seeing the incredibly low prices for video cards and CPUs that we're seeing. The initiated this price war, and here's hoping they'll pop out a product that is rather competitive this round.

Absolutely, we need strong competition.

fivefeet8
03-29-08, 04:42 PM
These specs sheets are actually pretty old. They've been listed at other sites before a few months ago. It'll be interesting to see where the hardware actually ends up. If AMD can get a hold on their VLIW architecture, they may actually produce some comparatively higher performance. They'll definately need to do more with the hardware than Nvidia does though.

jcrox
03-30-08, 12:25 AM
anyone who disagrees with the idea that we need AMD to come out with some competitive products need only to look at the price of the QX9770....$1450 :wtf:

Besides, my brother-in-law works for AMD, I'd hate to see him unemployed

Xion X2
03-30-08, 10:56 AM
Is that what you tell yourself everytime you power up your XBOX 360? ;)

If it wasn't for AMD, we wouldn't be seeing the incredibly low prices for video cards and CPUs that we're seeing. The initiated this price war, and here's hoping they'll pop out a product that is rather competitive this round.
What does this have to do with anything? What does me posting a statement of "fail" on a GPU company's attempt to catch up with the competition when they hang onto a flawed architecture have to do with any previous architecture they have rolled out? Especially that of a console of 3 years ago??

After all I have said around this place, do you honestly think that I don't KNOW that competition is good for the industry? Have I not owned ATI cards recently? Of course I do and have, and this is not going to help that competition. Chances are that Nvidia has something in waiting that will slaughter this card.

nvnewssucksass
03-30-08, 11:34 AM
LOL ati uses the same architecture which equals automatic FAIL and try to compenstate with faster clock speeds etc...rotf.

Then we have Nvidiots in the other corner with there 1 MILLIONTH REMAKE OF THE 8800GTXEERRRZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redeemed
03-30-08, 01:28 PM
What does this have to do with anything? What does me posting a statement of "fail" on a GPU company's attempt to catch up with the competition when they hang onto a flawed architecture have to do with any previous architecture they have rolled out? Especially that of a console of 3 years ago??

After all I have said around this place, do you honestly think that I don't KNOW that competition is good for the industry? Have I not owned ATI cards recently? Of course I do and have, and this is not going to help that competition. Chances are that Nvidia has something in waiting that will slaughter this card.
Just like Intel had something in waiting that slaughtered the K8... only it took them 3 years to release it... ;)

You're predicting "Epic FAILz" for ATi even before official specs have been released. In essence, what you're saying about ATi implies (whether you intend to have this implied or not) that they'll fail no matter what, and it's impossible for them to get back in the game.

ROFLs, seriously. Here's a question for you: if it weren't for ATi and their "crappy" architecture this round- would we be able to purchase 8800GTSs and GTXs for such a cheap price? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106791921%201067924921&bop=And&Order=PRICE) Everybody dogs on AMD anymore. When really, they're the sole reason CPUs and video cards are as inexpensive as they are. AMD initiated the fierce pricewars we're seeing now, not Intel, and not nVidia. It was AMD. That's about the only way they could remain competitive since their hardware alone isn't good enough currently.

Heck, I just purchased a Phenom9600 and 4GB for under $300- including shipping and tax. No way I'd accomplish that purchasing even Intel's least expensive Quad. Used the money I saved to get a pair of Optical drives and the ASUS M2N32-SLi mobo.

My point- for all the harrassment AMD recieves from the community here (and probably most every forum for that matter) we still owe them a mighty big "THANK YOU". They're the reason parts are so cheap. All the members here that are boasting about their Q6600 G0 stepping that oc's super well... had AMD not initiated the price war that CPU would be a $400 one atleast, and AMD would be in worse shape than they're in now.

And it is rather ironic that you say they've "failed" when they were first out the door this generation with a proper functioning dual-GPU card. Oh, and it even scales better than the GX2. One 3870X2 really is comparable to two 3870s in CrossFire. Whereas the GX2 doesn't quite scale as well. It might be faster, but it also costs considerably more. Heck, imagine if the GX2 scaled as well st the X2... that'd be a card I'd dump $600 into in a heart beat.

And I've noticed a pattern that any comment of yours relating to PC gaming is usually a derogeratory comment... so why post at all? Unless you're merely trying to provoke responses such as my long and drawn out post here?

Shocky
03-30-08, 03:47 PM
My point- for all the harrassment AMD recieves from the community here (and probably most every forum for that matter) we still owe them a mighty big "THANK YOU". They're the reason parts are so cheap. All the members here that are boasting about their Q6600 G0 stepping that oc's super well... had AMD not initiated the price war that CPU would be a $400 one atleast, and AMD would be in worse shape than they're in now.


That works both ways, prices are a result of products released from both companies, trying to make out that one company is responsible for current prices is just stupid, whether you like it or not there all responsible for the current prices so thank them all, not just one company, but they certainly don't deserve it.

Redeemed
03-30-08, 03:59 PM
That works both ways, prices are a result of products released from both companies, trying to make out that one company is responsible for current prices is just stupid, whether you like it or not there all responsible for the current prices so thank them all, not just one company, but they certainly don't deserve it.
:wtf:

I'd wager money that if AMD hadn't dropped their prices, Intel most certainly would not. It's just another, albeit not as popular, method of competing. AMD was first to offer significant price cuts on all their products, and to remain competitive Intel and nVidia followed suit. Had AMD not implemented those price cuts we would not have the current prices we are all enjoying. Would prices have come down still? Yes, but not to the point they're at now- I'm 100% positive of this. AMD initiated this current price war, not any of the other companies.

nekrosoft13
03-30-08, 06:26 PM
Redeemed, don't feed the trolls