Study: say fish do feel pain

[sbp]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/907199.asp

Anglers take note — British scientists say that after years of debate, they now have proof that fish feel pain. Animal activists are on the warpath after a study released on Wednesday showed how rainbow trout react to discomfort. They condemned fishing as cruel and demanded an end to the sport — but anglers themselves dismissed the study.

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/fishpain.jpg
"Hmmm sounds kind of fishy."

[stncttr908]

The only time that I fish is when I'm with my uncle, and he always cleans and eats whatever we catch. Do fish feel pain? Probably. Will that stop anyone? I'm sure it won't. I have a much bigger problem with hunting.

[Kruno]

Uhm... since when is fishing bad or even evil? :rolleyes:

I went fishing when I was younger. I never viewed it as an evil sport/catching dinner practice. In fact, why haven't people heard of the food chain?

Are they going to stop sharks eating fish too? :rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

I say we feed those damn activists to the sharks, then again that would be cruel to the sharks:D

I have no problem with fishing or hunting at all, those activists need to get laid or something.

Edit: No problem with hunting at all:D

http://www.vampireuk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/quad300.jpg

[Kruno]

You know, primitive people lived off fish. New age people also live off fish.

IE: People on tropical resorts, Japanese. Just to name a few. :)

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by madthumbs
There is over 10x as many deer in the US as when it was first colonized. Good hunters keep the population down and kill deer less viciously than another predator might. The more deer and other animals there are, the more they'll get hit by cars. When hit my cars, they often don't die soon but are maimed.

I so have to go over there for a few months for some hunting, its illegal here :(

[sytaylor]

What gets me is how the study that shows plants react to "pain" (eg. being uprooted etc) by letting off chemicals. The do it in any "painful" situation...

But the veggies choose to ignore that one.. what gets me is what would the vegans do?! No dairy products or vegatables.. ur pretty much limited to various stones and metals, heh :angel:

[Chalnoth]

Actually, there are some vegetarians that will only eat the parts of plants that can easily be regrown (ex. fruit), and won't eat, say, carrots.

[DaveW]

from http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/10/1044725683181.html, Feb 2003...



Anglers rest easy. Fish cannot feel pain, the largest study into piscine neurology has concluded.

An academic study comparing the nervous systems and responses of fish and mammals has found that fishes' brains are not sufficiently developed to allow them to sense pain or fear.

The study is the work of James D Rose, a professor of zoology and physiology at the University of Wyoming, who has been working on questions of neurology for almost 30 years. He has examined data on the responses of animals to pain and stimulus from scores of studies collected over the past 15 years.

His report, published in the American journal Reviews of Fisheries Science, has concluded that awareness of pain depends on functions of specific regions of the cerebral cortex which fish do not possess.

Professor Rose, 60, said that previous studies which had indicated that fish can feel pain had confused nociception - responding to a threatening stimulus - with feeling pain.

"Pain is predicated on awareness," he said. "The key issue is the distinction between nociception and pain. A person who is anaesthetised in an operating theatre will still respond physically to an external stimulus, but he or she will not feel pain. Anyone who has seen a chicken with its head cut off will know that, while its body can respond to stimuli, it cannot be feeling pain."

Professor Rose said he was enormously concerned with the welfare of fish, but that campaigners should concentrate on ensuring that they were able to enjoy clean and well-managed rivers and seas.

Despite the findings of Professor Rose's study, a spokesman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which has invested heavily in an anti-angling campaign, said: "We believe that fishing is barbaric. Of course animals can feel pain. They have sensitivity, if only to avoid predators."

The Telegraph, London


Basically, although a fish may be naturally pre-programmed to react to damage and avoid it, it is not aware of pain and it does not suffer.

People think that if you pull the legs off an insect, that it is suffering in the same way that a human child would if you did the same to it. Animal right activitists make the mistake of thinking that lower lifeforms have the same self-awareness and concept of suffering as we do... Like if you disinfect your toilet, all the germs in your sink will be emotionally distraught over your mass chemical genocide of their relatives.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

next time I'll be sure to put a few 9mm rounds in the fish before it has the chance of feeling any real pain.

I thought everyone already knew that fish felt pain, uh, DUH!

ITS A DAMN HOOK GOING THRU YOUR CHEEK!!! What the hell do you expect them to feel?:lol:

Either way they die, and turn into poop, so, whats the big deal? :lol:

[Ryoko]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Either way they die, and turn into poop, so, whats the big deal? :lol:

ROFL :D

[omghi2u]

Originally posted by sbp
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907199.asp

Anglers take note — British scientists say that after years of debate, they now have proof that fish feel pain. Animal activists are on the warpath after a study released on Wednesday showed how rainbow trout react to discomfort. They condemned fishing as cruel and demanded an end to the sport — but anglers themselves dismissed the study.

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/fishpain.jpg
"Hmmm sounds kind of fishy." Saw this awhile ago on fark...still no cure for cancer :D :D

[ALobpreis]

Originally posted by sbp
Anglers take note — British scientists say that after years of debate, they now have proof that fish feel pain.

Did they need years of debate to realize animals feel pain too????????????????????????????????

[vampireuk]

I cant believe they actually spent time and money in researching this, Cancer....fish feeling pain. Why cant people get their god damn priorities in order:mad:

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I cant believe they actually spent time and money in researching this, Cancer....fish feeling pain. Why cant people get their god damn priorities in order:mad:

Because not everyone specializes in one field and there are many different kinds of scientists?

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
Because not everyone specializes in one field and there are many different kinds of scientists?

Irelevant :p

[SnakeEyes]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I say we feed those damn activists to the sharks, then again that would be cruel to the sharks:D

I have no problem with fishing or hunting at all, those activists need to get laid or something.

Edit: No problem with hunting at all:D

http://www.vampireuk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/quad300.jpg
Nice crossbow. :)
I was just reading about the Quad-300 (world's most powerful production crossbow!). While doing that, I started looking into the various states' laws on the use of crossbows (thank Barnett's Quad-300 page for leading me down that particular path ;)).

Many states limit the use to the disabled, usually during bow season. There are some exceptions of course. A few states allow the use by anyone, some during regular season, and some don't recognize the weapon as a legitimate hunting weapon at all (my own home state- WV, is one of the latter :mad: ).

One of the most interesting things I discovered was that in Illinois (where I'm stationed right now), crossbows are legal for the disabled. People in this category are automatically qualified assuming one of a variety of disabilities, mostly having to do with the inability to use a normal bow. The thing that concerns me most is that blind people are automatically qualified for a crossbow license (http://dnr.state.il.us/legal/760.htm) (read 760.20 para 5). Also, according to Barnett's page on the states' regulations, crossbows are also legal for fishing in Illinois (and several other states). Couldn't find that one on the IL dnr site yet though. :p

[vampireuk]

Yeah I was reading over those, there are some wacky laws for crossbows over there:) Very few states seem to have no restrictions on them I cannot really see a pyschially challenged person ****ing a crossbow without a crank or something;)

Wonder if they would let me into the country for a few months:D

[DaveW]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I cant believe they actually spent time and money in researching this, Cancer....fish feeling pain. Why cant people get their god damn priorities in order:mad:

Its because 99% of cancer research is funded by pharmaceutical companies, the same companies who make billions every year from the sale of chemotherapy treatments and other drugs.

[vampireuk]

but but....its a fish!!:cry:

Its a sick old bussiness, lets not cure something because we will make less money.

[Mod]

Jesus was really a bad guy. He even teached better ways to murder fish. :p

[LORD-eX-Bu]

uh, yeah........:rolleyes:

[Darth Rancid]

What is pain?....

Does fish feel pain?.. probably, they certainly register touch and damage...
Fish probably has a better life than industrial chicken even if they end up being murdered in a painful way...

And Sweden is also completely overrun by deer... because we don't have enough wolves and bear these days...
Also, why should the few wolves we have bother chasing down speedy deer when there's sheep around?...
Put real fences around the paddoks and quit complaining about the wolves prefering fast-food. :)

[omghi2u]

Originally posted by madthumbs
Women have a different pain thresh hold, and animals I'm sure percieve pain differently. As far as Jesus goes, have you ever seen pigs get butchered? (They're a biblically unclean animal to eat). On another note, humans are tortured left and right, some for decades... where is Peta then? Some people have no respect for humans... Take the US president for example... talks about "american lives" (probably for PR), yet shows disregard for "human lives". I can smell PETA dumbasses all over this pretty soon. They're gonna demand that fishes be gutted with care. Plus, vegetarians now refusing to eat meat since it's hurting animals.

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by Darth Rancid


And Sweden is also completely overrun by deer... because we don't have enough wolves and bear these days...
Also, why should the few wolves we have bother chasing down speedy deer when there's sheep around?...
Put real fences around the paddoks and quit complaining about the wolves prefering fast-food. :)

Say do they allow hunting in Sweden?:D