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dpollard55
05-01-03, 07:33 PM
Hello everyone. I'm new here and just bought a PNY Geforce FX 5200 PCI and thought I'd say that this is a great card for anyone without an AGP slot! :D It completely smokes my old 4mx 440se. After being burned by Nvidia with the 4mx series, I was hesitant to buy another card from them and almost jumped ship, but I'm glad I stuck it out and waited for the PCI version of these cards to come out. In case your looking for one I got mine at Comp USA. Great card, awsome performance.

VoodooNinja
05-01-03, 07:40 PM
Congrats on your new card. Happy PCI gaming to you!

Lunar
05-01-03, 11:34 PM
Finally a card to take the crown from the Voodoo 5 5500 inthe pci gaming market.

I installed one of these for a customer the other day at work. It really wasn't that bad.

DSC
05-01-03, 11:38 PM
Can you attach a picture of your card to here? It would be interesting to see if your card is a 128bit bus one or not. :D :angel:

dpollard55
05-02-03, 12:13 AM
Sorry no picture, my el-cheapo digital camera wouldn't do good enough to tell anyway. How can I tell whether it's 128 bit bus, by the way? The memory interface is 128 bit, that I know for sure. The one I have is the PNY Verto FX 5200 PCI if that'll tell you anything about the bus. So far after a few hours playing with it, I'm very impressed. I'm able to run max settings on games like Black Hawk Down now at 1024x768 (my LCD's max) and have more than playable frame rates. Everything is nice and smooth now. If I can get decent performance out of a eMachines (don't laugh it was free :D ) 1.3ghz Celeron with a 100mhz FSB, 250W power supply, 384mb RAM, then it's a pretty good freakin card don't ya think?

Geforce4ti4200
05-02-03, 12:32 AM
this IS the fastest pci card, but my mx440 agp would outperform yours by a wide margin. Whats your 3dmark 2001 score? My guess is around 4500 marks. I get 5800 on my mx440 stock clock.

LORD-eX-Bu
05-02-03, 12:39 AM
lol, thats pretty good performance, BHD stutters on my rig sometimes at 1280x1024. Seeing how I have 1.1 Ghz and a Ti 4600 over you, you are getting great performance out of that card:thumbsup:

dpollard55
05-02-03, 01:53 AM
I'm having a little trouble getting 3dmark 2001 to run right now. Keeps saying I need DirectX 8 and I have 9a, checked the support page and it said that was a know problem with 9a and to uninstall 3dmark and then install it again. I'll try later and see if that works and post the results. I'm guessing around what you said they'd be since I'm limited by the PCI bus. As far as the games go though, I just ran Test Drive 2002 at 1024x768 32bit color high quality and it looked and ran great. My old PCI MX440 stuttered on that game bad at 800x600 16bit color low quality. I basically had to run it at 640x480 to be playable. Black Hawk Down looks and runs just awesome, which realy impresses me since this game is fairly new. As some sort of performance indicator America's Army at 1024x768 32bit High quality gives me around 40 to 50fps on the bridge level. My old card pushed 20 to 30fps at normal settings if I was lucky. If I had an AGP slot, I probably would have bought a Ti. But for PCI I think this cards gonna be tough to beat.

DSC
05-02-03, 02:01 AM
You need 3dmark2001 SE build 330. Anything lower than build 330 (300, original 3dmark2001) will not run because of bug in DirectX version detection code.

dpollard55
05-02-03, 02:47 AM
Ok with the 43.51 WHQL drivers 3dmark gives me right at 3892 with the control panel sliders at Quality. Details follow....
Car Chase low---- 71.6fps
High---- 25.9fps
Dragothic low--- 49.8fps
High---- 20.1fps
Lobby Low--- 75.4fps
High---- 34.2
Nature test--- 16.0fps
Fill Rate Single--- 461.6 MTexels/s
Fill Rate Multi--- 707.5 MTexels/s
High Poly count 1 light--- 20.4 MTriangles/s
8 lights---- 4.7 MTriangles/s
Enviroment mapping--- 56.2fps
DOT3---- 51.6fps
Vertex Shader---- 38.6fps
Pixel Shader--- 68.9fps
Advanced Pixel Shader--- 19.1fps
Point Sprites--- 9.0 MSprites/s
As a comparison, my PCI MX440 got 2685 in 3dmark 2001se with this same driver version and my PCI Radeon 7500 got 2895 with the Cat 3.2 drivers. I expect if I put the sliders to Balanced my score might break 4000. Also, as evidenced in the past as new drivers come out for these FX cards performance should improve some but I don't expect to get past 4500 in 3dmark on my PCI limited system. I'm not sure but I think these are pretty good numbers for a PCI card. I never broke 60fps in anything until just now when the Lobby test reached 125fps at one point!

Geforce4ti4200
05-02-03, 03:39 AM
sorry to say that but that scores horrible! I was getting 6800 marks on a stock ti500 on a 1GHz tbird. Got alot more than you on my mx440, 4800 at 1GHz, 5800 at 1.6GHz. even my agp fx5200 got over 5k marks. If you get a new rig and a ti200 youll break 7k marks

Dazz
05-02-03, 03:50 AM
I agree you really really need to upgrade your processor to around at least the 2GHz area.

Lezmaka
05-02-03, 03:56 AM
Don't see why he would want to upgrade his computer (since his was free) just to get a higher 3dmark score, especially since it seems he can run all the games he wants.

dpollard55
05-02-03, 04:37 AM
Exactly Lezmaka! I don't understand this fascination with 3dmark to begin with. I always just bought a game I wanted and if it played decent enough for me I am fine, if it doesn't I upgrade something. This time it happened to be my graphics card and it plays everything I have just fine... even with maxed out settings! [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu said BHD sometimes stutters on his system, and he has a Ti4600 which probably gets higher 3dmarks than me by a long shot. But you know something, I can play BHD maxed out with no stutters at all. So I don't think 3dmark is realy a good indicator of when I should upgrade or not. Just my opinion.

Dazz
05-02-03, 06:00 AM
Well if it runs everything you want then good for you :) but for hardcore gamers well it just an't even remotely good enough.

Gator
05-02-03, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Lunar
Finally a card to take the crown from the Voodoo 5 5500 inthe pci gaming market.

I installed one of these for a customer the other day at work. It really wasn't that bad.

wasn't the crown taken awhile ago by the Radeon 9000 and 9100 PCI ? :D

Dazz
05-02-03, 11:24 AM
The Radeon 9100 PCI still rules in the performance section.

ragejg
05-02-03, 11:44 AM
yeh, I ferget where, but I've seen 7.5k scores from a R9100 PCI on a P4 2.4... and 7k on a 9000...

but if you're havin a good time with that card, well... GREAT! :) Isn't it about playability?

471MT on single fillrate? NICE! Dang, I couldn't even break 400 hardly on my AGP 5200 :(...

have fun!

T-Spoon
05-02-03, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
The Radeon 9100 PCI still rules in the performance section.

Yup. Just check out this thread at Anandtech forum of a test between the PNY FX5200 PCI, Radeon9100 PCI, GF4 MX 440 PCI. It was posted here before I think and it's probably the thread that Ragejg meant.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1031972&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

The scores of the FX here are a bit higher here, but it still gets smoked by the budget/value offering of ATi, the Radeon9100 PCI.

dpollard55
05-02-03, 02:52 PM
ATI has always had a slight performance advantage in the PCI segment. I remember seeing a review of the 5200 PCI where it did score a lot higher than what I get (5k I think), which leads me to believe the rest of my system is the bottle neck for me. My fill rates seem nice though, and like I said everything runs nicely enough for me. Even the Splinter Cell demo (good looking game!). I almost bought a 9100 instead of this, but figured the PCI bus would be better with the 128mb card (the Radeon was only 64mb). People are forgetting who this card is for..... it's not for gamers, it's for folks like me who are on a limited budget and don't need those fast frame rates. If the 9100 they had was 128mb, then I would have bought that instead probably and it might have performed better. But it doesn't support DirectX 9 which the 5200 does, which is not important right now but a year from now it might be. Always think about the future when upgrading. You won't have to do it as much that way. :D

vandersl
05-02-03, 03:20 PM
I just put a 64MB VisionTek 9100 PCI in my work machine a couple of days ago. Runs great, and they have a 128MB version. This one cost me $79 (after $20 rebate).

Here's a linky to my 3DM2K1 score linky (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6422585)

This is on a 866MHz PIII, btw.

dpollard55
05-02-03, 04:42 PM
Nice score! :thumbsup: Like I said ATI has always seemed a little faster with PCI bus cards. Just out of curiousity does it make a difference if I have Norton Antivirus autoprotect turned on or not? I can't understand how I get a low 3dmark yet all my games play smooth as silk at max settings in 32bit color at 1024x768. Maybe 3dmark isn't such a good indicator? Plus what's the difference in the pro version and the free version of 3dmark? I'm using the free one.

gokickrocks
05-02-03, 04:58 PM
pro gives you access to the other tests in 3dmark

i wonder how the fx5200 and 9100 pci's would do on a via epia...

ShuttleBoy
05-20-03, 05:48 PM
Hey what's your 3DMark2001 SE score with the new Detonator FX drivers on the PNY GeforceFX 5200 PCI?

The AGP version gets a significant boost in performance, went from 5000 to 8000! I'm curious how the PCI version does!

dpollard55
05-21-03, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by ShuttleBoy
Hey what's your 3DMark2001 SE score with the new Detonator FX drivers on the PNY GeforceFX 5200 PCI?

The AGP version gets a significant boost in performance, went from 5000 to 8000! I'm curious how the PCI version does!
Not as significant as that, but with the new drivers I've managed to just break 4k in 3dmark 01 se. I've noticed more of an improvement in actual games though. America's Army Operations gained around 15fps and Black hawk Down gained around 10fps with all the eye candy on. Also it seems PNY is clocking their memory a little higher than some others. After reading some threads here it seems most are clocked at 200mhz (400 DDR) where as my PNY 5200 is at 300mhz (600 DDR). I doubt my score will get much higher since I'm bottlenecked by the rest of my system, but as long as those games play alright.. who cares right?