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DMA
05-02-03, 06:08 AM
..to preorder that is.
So those who have been saying that we'll be surprised how fast NV35 will show up in stores may be right? :D
Or maybe the stores are just to optimistic. :p

It's the 256 MB version (FX 5900 Ultra? ) from Leadtek btw.
Just under $400..

Lezmaka
05-02-03, 06:25 AM
link?

RobHague
05-02-03, 07:03 AM
What he said... ;)

Link would be helpful.

John Reynolds
05-02-03, 07:09 AM
And I have a very, very hard time believing anyone will put a NV35-based board out with 256MB of 400-450Mhz DDR for $400- USD.

DMA
05-02-03, 07:22 AM
Oops, sorry. Guess i'm not awake yet :zzzz: :D

Ok, here..a swedish webshop (http://www.sbs.o.se/cgi-sbs/prislista.cgi?produkt=Grafikkort)
Check the Leadtek section, the card at the top.

Doesn't say that much though, just that it's a NV35 and estimated delivery is May/June.

Maybe the cards will show up then, or maybe the guy is just guessing him self :o
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

And about the price. It's 5200 SEK. And that's over $600 :eek:
But hardware is way more expensive over here with taxes and all that ,so i'd guess around $400 in the US.

Lezmaka
05-02-03, 08:12 AM
5200 SEK = $639.03 US, and from what I can tell, VAT in Sweden is 25%, so that's $511.23 US w/o tax.

I remember there was at least 1 site that had a preorder for a 256 meg NV30 for about $600-700 US, so this doesn't mean too much.

panzaman
05-02-03, 09:56 AM
tha NV35 will be called FX 6800.

mbvgp
05-02-03, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by panzaman
tha NV35 will be called FX 6800.

nope.

jAkUp
05-02-03, 10:19 AM
i heard it will be called the 6800 also

John Reynolds
05-02-03, 10:44 AM
I'm betting on it being called the 6900 Ultra Dual Pleasure Blaster. :super:

DMA
05-02-03, 12:05 PM
Well, i mailed the webshop and asked if they've heard something from their supplier or Leadtek or if they're just guessing :p
The answer i got was that their supplier will get the first cards in about two weeks and they'll try to get the first cards out the last week in May.
But that won't happen of course :D

I'm guessing more like mid July :o

Badash
05-02-03, 12:41 PM
Inquirer said 5900 Ultra and 6800 ultra so I don't know which, whatever, don't care if they call it puke ultra. If it comes in the Ultra with 256mb of memory I will get one otherwise I will wait for the NV40 because a lot of the things about the NV35 is a downgrade from a 5800 ultra, slower clocks emeory and gpu, the only improvement I've heard is the 256 memory interface. The geforce fx 5800 ultra is the first card I've been able to run the latest games with graphics maxxed AND higher resolutions, so there's something to be said for that. But I've been jonesing for a card with 256mb of memory hehe.

Hanners
05-02-03, 02:22 PM
As far as I know it will be the 5900 Ultra.

RobHague
05-02-03, 02:39 PM
Sounds sensible. I think Badash is right though, most of the NV35 seems to be a downgrade from the NV30. Apart from the 256bit Memory Bus.

I think the NV35 is about improving the Cost/Performance ratio and getting something that they can mass-produce in large quantities (DDR2 is costing them too much and is in too short a supply) as well as improving performance.

GlowStick
05-02-03, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by DMA
Well, i mailed the webshop and asked if they've heard something from their supplier or Leadtek or if they're just guessing :p
The answer i got was that their supplier will get the first cards in about two weeks and they'll try to get the first cards out the last week in May.
But that won't happen of course :D

I'm guessing more like mid July :o


Hm, that makes sence, i wish we knew what companys are actually makeing the boards (i wonder if its nvida contracting it out again?)

But it all goes to gether,

Now all dev's are getting the boards, the priortized ones had them a bit sooner.

I belive that means mass production has probly started, and it will take them about a month to ramp it up : O

Lezmaka
05-02-03, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Badash
If it comes in the Ultra with 256mb of memory I will get one otherwise I will wait for the NV40 because a lot of the things about the NV35 is a downgrade from a 5800 ultra, slower clocks emeory and gpu, the only improvement I've heard is the 256 memory interface.

So because the GFFX 5800 Ultra has memory running at 500mhz, even though it only has a 128 bit memory bus, and the NV35 is worse because it's ram may only be running at 400-450 but on a 256 bit bus? omg...

I bet you think the GFFX 5800 Ultra is better than the R9700/9800 because it's ram is faster too.

So... 128 bit bus * 1000mhz =~ 16gig/s
And... 256bit bus * 400mhz =~ 25.6gigls/

How is that downgrading?

GlowStick
05-02-03, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Lezmaka
So because the GFFX 5800 Ultra has memory running at 500mhz, even though it only has a 128 bit memory bus, and the NV35 is worse because it's ram may only be running at 400-450 but on a 256 bit bus? omg...

I bet you think the GFFX 5800 Ultra is better than the R9700/9800 because it's ram is faster too.

So... 128 bit bus * 1000mhz =~ 16gig/s
And... 256bit bus * 400mhz =~ 25.6gigls/

How is that downgrading?

Well to your average consumer, going from DDR II to DDR sounds like a downgrade, but in this case it isnt.....but try to tell that to most people who walk into best buy saying "will this work, in my Comapq, its a 5820 model" ..............

RobHague
05-02-03, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Lezmaka
So because the GFFX 5800 Ultra has memory running at 500mhz, even though it only has a 128 bit memory bus, and the NV35 is worse because it's ram may only be running at 400-450 but on a 256 bit bus? omg...

I bet you think the GFFX 5800 Ultra is better than the R9700/9800 because it's ram is faster too.

So... 128 bit bus * 1000mhz =~ 16gig/s
And... 256bit bus * 400mhz =~ 25.6gigls/

How is that downgrading?

Now just imagine if they kept DDRII @ 500Mhz with a 256bit Bus ;) that would be cool. But im not sure how NVIDIA are going to distance the NV35 from the NV30.

Its going to be a PR nightmare trying to sort that out....

"Ok our latest card isnt clocked at 500Mhz with 1000Mhz DDRII but it is clocked at 450Mhz with normal DDR. No really its a lot better though.... it has a 256bit Bus so its twice as fast... would i lie to you?"

NV35 is a quick rehash of an NV30 - heck i bet it IS the NV30 tweaked only for the 256bit bus of DDR. Im willing to bet its the Detonator FX that is going to be the major change. In which case im sure the NV30 and NV35 are on the same level (although im sure the NV30 will be faster in some cases without AA/AF) apart from when using AA and AF. Its going to be an odd one. I guess they will hide the NV30 under the carpet and pretend it dont exist lol. Willing to bet thats why the Ultra is so rare. Best to compare the NV35 with the lower clocked standard 5800. So the NV35 will win in all the tests and not just with AA. *tut tut*

Lezmaka
05-02-03, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by RobHague
Now just imagine if they kept DDRII @ 500Mhz with a 256bit Bus ;) that would be cool. But im not sure how NVIDIA are going to distance the NV35 from the NV30.

If they did that, they'd definately need FXFlow. That's where a good part of the heat comes from

RobHague
05-02-03, 05:44 PM
True - but at least NVIDIA can say they did it first. DDRII at 1Ghz. :) Smashing :D

To be honest since ive changed my system to make it silent i notice FX Flow a lot more. It's kinda annoying now... with a load of case fans/noisy HSF i couldnt really tell and didnt care but now i can lol. Do'h.

Badash
05-02-03, 06:50 PM
I'm well aware of the specs. I'm a hardware fanatic, not a noob. What I mean is the card is a cheaper, simpler card to manufacture. DDR 1 vs DDR 2 and slower clocks overall will allow a cheaper and quieter hsf. It will perform better but won't bring any new tech to market. However if it has 256mb on board that would be something new for the consumer market cards and then I will get one and sell one of my 5800's. I will wait to upgrade my second 5800 till the NV40 comes out regardless.

GlowStick
05-02-03, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Badash
I'm well aware of the specs. I'm a hardware fanatic, not a noob. What I mean is the card is a cheaper, simpler card to manufacture. DDR 1 vs DDR 2 and slower clocks overall will allow a cheaper and quieter hsf. It will perform better but won't bring any new tech to market. However if it has 256mb on board that would be something new for the consumer market cards and then I will get one and sell one of my 5800's. I will wait to upgrade my second 5800 till the NV40 comes out regardless.

Yeah, I try not to upgrade untill there is a Killer game that i just got, this time it was Unreal 2, last time it was Tribes 2.

RobHague
05-02-03, 07:03 PM
Hey GlowStick, what are the drivers like for that 9800? Just out of curiosity. :)

GlowStick
05-02-03, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by RobHague
Hey GlowStick, what are the drivers like for that 9800? Just out of curiosity. :)

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muzz
05-02-03, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by RobHague
Now just imagine if they kept DDRII @ 500Mhz with a 256bit Bus ;) that would be cool. But im not sure how NVIDIA are going to distance the NV35 from the NV30.

Its going to be a PR nightmare trying to sort that out....

"Ok our latest card isnt clocked at 500Mhz with 1000Mhz DDRII but it is clocked at 450Mhz with normal DDR. No really its a lot better though.... it has a 256bit Bus so its twice as fast... would i lie to you?"

NV35 is a quick rehash of an NV30 - heck i bet it IS the NV30 tweaked only for the 256bit bus of DDR. Im willing to bet its the Detonator FX that is going to be the major change. In which case im sure the NV30 and NV35 are on the same level (although im sure the NV30 will be faster in some cases without AA/AF) apart from when using AA and AF. Its going to be an odd one. I guess they will hide the NV30 under the carpet and pretend it dont exist lol. Willing to bet thats why the Ultra is so rare. Best to compare the NV35 with the lower clocked standard 5800. So the NV35 will win in all the tests and not just with AA. *tut tut*

OK if you say so... the specs speak for themselves on the 256 bit issue.. there IS NO denial on that.

If you really think the new Dets are more important than the 256 bus you are hallucinogenic IMO..