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Dazz
05-03-03, 07:19 AM
The NV35 will be called the GeforceFX 5900 & 5900Ultra.
This was taking from the 50x drivers

http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=12069&mode=thread&order=0

Hanners
05-03-03, 03:38 PM
http://www.kidlink.org/icons/kidwriters/correct.gif

:p

Gargr
05-03-03, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Hanners
http://www.kidlink.org/icons/kidwriters/correct.gif

:p

You're
:p

Hanners
05-03-03, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Gargr
You're
:p

Hey, I stole the image from a kid's educational website or something - Don't shoot the messenger!! ;)

CaptNKILL
05-03-03, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Hanners
Hey, I stole the image from a kid's educational website or something - Don't shoot the messenger!! ;)
If no one told the messenger to bring it here, he needs shot ;)

RobHague
05-03-03, 06:42 PM
I scare myself sometimes. Ive gotten things about the NVIDIA release's right now twice in a row... i must have some sort of ESP. ;)

FYI I posted on a site (neowin) a while back that the card will most likley be called the 5900 IMHO. I also said (as a joke) about the Detonator FX... and now we have both... :D

Dazz
05-03-03, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Hanners
Hey, I stole the image from a kid's educational website or something - Don't shoot the messenger!! ;)
Yeah you need all the help you can get, to get into primary school :p

RobHague
05-03-03, 08:50 PM
It seems that the reason for the NV30U’s demise in the retail sector was not just supply of DDRII and cost after all. Its been brought to our attention that the NV35 (a.k.a. 5900) will perform pretty much on par with the 5800 Ultra, gaining a slight lead with AA (as expected with its increased memory bandwidth) but losing in tests where pure clock speed rules all. Of course with the current 5800 non ultra being clocked at 400/400 there is no a concern of the NV30 outperforming the NV35 – however with the Ultra being clocked at 500/500 it’s quite a concern for NVIDIA. How is the PR machine going to tell the public that DDR is better than DDRII and that the 450Mhz GPU is faster than the 500Mhz GPU..

There seems to be no place for the Ultra in their line up – as it stands it’s going to be…

5200 (NV31) 250/???
5600 (NV34) 350/???
5800 (NV30) 400/400
5900 (NV35) 450/400
5900 Ultra (NV35U) (256MB) 450/450

You can see where this is leading, clearly there a full line up and its following suit in clock speed. The ultra’s 500/500 would be a spanner in the works of course. However it was speculated that mainstream cards based on the NV35 would be appearing – this is no longer the case. The product line up is complete and any other products being introduced would mess up the current line (which is already shipping). It would also be pointless for NVIDIA to refresh the 5600/5200 due to the only slight changes to the NV30 core. The 128bit Bus would be kept for the mainstream cards. If NVIDIA were to introduce or replace one product line it would cause chaos for consumers. I will stress now that the NV35 was ‘hurried’ to production purely to remove the performance crown from the 9800 PRO and restore confidence to NVIDIA and its partners. You are looking at the 5900 “The benchmark winning” card.



Hmmmm

Dazz
05-03-03, 09:36 PM
I guess that makes sence if it's number rating didn't go up much.

Geforce4ti4200
05-03-03, 10:33 PM
5200 (NV31) 250/400
5600 (NV34) 350/700
5800 (NV30) 400/800
5900 (NV35) 400/800
5900 Ultra (NV35U) (256MB) 450/900


thank you :p

Lezmaka
05-03-03, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
5200 (NV31) 250/400
5600 (NV34) 350/700
5800 (NV30) 400/800
5900 (NV35) 400/800
5900 Ultra (NV35U) (256MB) 450/900


thank you :p

You got yer NV31's and NV34's mixed up.

NV31 = 5600
NV34 = 5200

DSC
05-03-03, 10:47 PM
NV30/FX5800 Ultra 500/500

NV30/FX5800 400/400

NV31/FX5600 Ultra 350/350

NV31/FX5600 325/275

NV34/FX5200 Ultra 325/325

NV34/FX5200 250/200

The non ultra FX5600's clockspeeds were confirmed recently.

sbp
05-04-03, 12:49 AM
What an ill-fated product the NV30 turned out to be.
Yeah best thing to do is quickly move pass the 5800 Ultra and get back on track.

How is the PR machine going to tell the public that DDR is better than DDRII and that the 450Mhz GPU is faster than the 500Mhz GPU..A lot of dancing. :lol:

It would also be pointless for NVIDIA to refresh the 5600/5200 due to the only slight changes to the NV30 core.The NV36 {NV31 refresh} is being worked on, although it won't be out anytime soon.

You are looking at the 5900 “The benchmark winning” card.but likely not the "The image quality winning" card.

Dazz
05-04-03, 07:59 AM
I am looking towards to the NV36 (FX5700?) which will have the odd few features and lots of bug fixes and better offer somewhat better peformance then my Ti4400 :D

Uttar
05-04-03, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by RobHague
Hmmmm

Where does this come from?
The number of errors in it is simply, well, ridiculous.
First, the NV31 is gonna be gone in a few months.
Secondly, the 5800 Ultra *and* Regular is gone as soon as the NV35 is out.
Thirdly, the NV35 got improved Pixel Shader performance, and it *will* win in Pixel Shader tests against the NV30U.

NV35 & NV36 are the last NV3x cards nVidia is going to work on ( beside NV33, *maybe* - but it's hard to know whether it was canned or not ) - after that, it's NV40 all the way. Now, all we need to know is whether the NV40 is a TBDR or not... If you got info, please, please PM me :D
No BS please though :P


Uttar

Richthofen
05-04-03, 10:02 AM
"
but likely not the "The image quality winning" card.
"
well what is image quality?
If you consider FSAA image quality i will agree with you.
If you consider anisotropic filtering image quality i will disagree with you.

Nvidia needs to get a rotated grid AA to improve image quality.
ATI on the other hand needs to get an anisotropic filtering equal to Nvidias application anisotropic filtering because until now in terms of image quality Nvidida's application a. filtering is superiour.

So in overall IQ each card has its advantages and disadvantages. I can't see a clear winner here in terms of IQ.

Ratchet
05-04-03, 10:52 AM
Where did that come from Rob?

mbvgp
05-04-03, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Uttar
Where does this come from?
The number of errors in it is simply, well, ridiculous.
First, the NV31 is gonna be gone in a few months.
Secondly, the 5800 Ultra *and* Regular is gone as soon as the NV35 is out.
Thirdly, the NV35 got improved Pixel Shader performance, and it *will* win in Pixel Shader tests against the NV30U.

NV35 & NV36 are the last NV3x cards nVidia is going to work on ( beside NV33, *maybe* - but it's hard to know whether it was canned or not ) - after that, it's NV40 all the way. Now, all we need to know is whether the NV40 is a TBDR or not... If you got info, please, please PM me :D
No BS please though :P


Uttar


there never was a nv33 in the first place...

Hanners
05-04-03, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Richthofen
ATI on the other hand needs to get an anisotropic filtering equal to Nvidias application anisotropic filtering because until now in terms of image quality Nvidida's application a. filtering is superiour.

The only time where you could arguably say that nVidia's aniso image quality is better is when it is using the 'Application' setting. However, you are then suffering from a massive performance hit as a result.

I don't think ATi will be changing their aniso implementation for some time, and nor should they.

RobHague
05-04-03, 04:59 PM
That info i posted (noticed some people asked) was from a posting on a forum i thought (assumed) it was from The Inquirer or other site of that nature. Im not sure which forum it was, might have been RivaStation. I was just browsing a load yesterday and thought it was an interesting bit - some of it sounds plausable though. :) I personally can't wait for the NVIDIA site to explain this one...

http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612132478
*cough*

:D

Richthofen
05-04-03, 05:48 PM
"
The only time where you could arguably say that nVidia's aniso image quality is better is when it is using the 'Application' setting. However, you are then suffering from a massive performance hit as a result.

I don't think ATi will be changing their aniso implementation for some time, and nor should they.
"

I mentioned the application mode.
He was talking about superiour IQ of ATI and that is simply not true.
Superiour AA quality but on tha AF side Nvidia has the superiour IQ solution.
Does the application setting cost performance?
Of course it does but FX cards are fast enough to play with that setting and NV35 will be even more faster.
Considering the debug story in the drivers when using application i would guess performance will further improve.
But that was not the point here.

The point was IQ and well and the facts are
better AA on the ATI side and better AF on the Nvidia side.
Thats it.
So no clear winner in terms of IQ.

StealthHawk
05-04-03, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Richthofen
[BI mentioned the application mode.
He was talking about superiour IQ of ATI and that is simply not true.
Superiour AA quality but on tha AF side Nvidia has the superiour IQ solution.[/b]

Not really true. nvidia has an edge over ATI when comparing the same degree of AF. But ATI's 16x AF looks better than nvidia's 8x AF, even with the small off angle problems that still exist in the R300.

Ratchet
05-04-03, 10:21 PM
Why is it everyone is assuming the NV35 will kill the 9800 Pro? They have basically the same specs don't they? Not attempting to flame in anyway, just a curiosity.

vampireuk
05-04-03, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Ratchet
Why is it everyone is assuming the NV35 will kill the 9800 Pro? They have basically the same specs don't they? Not attempting to flame in anyway, just a curiosity.

Because we kept the faith;) :D

Steppy
05-04-03, 11:02 PM
Yeah, the fact that its being called the 5900/5900U has me thinking this is only gonna be a 9700-9800 type increase.