ATI 48XX specs..apparently... 1 TFLOPS!!

[Ninja Prime]

These specs have actually been confirmed by several other more well known sites, and its supposed to launch in may.

Going by raw numbers it should be between 2 and 2.2 times as fast as the current 3870, which is pretty impressive for $350. Would be the fastest card on the market, even beating out the x2 cards.

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[AirRaid]

Okay these are RV770 series. Wow, 1 TFLOP from a card with a RV770 GPU? Cool if true.

BTW when is the high-end R700 meant to come out now ?

[Redeemed]

Okay these are RV770 series. Wow, 1 TFLOP from a card with a RV770 GPU? Cool if true.

BTW when is the high-end R700 meant to come out now ?
From my understanding, RV770 is the high-end part.

[KasuCode]

From my understanding, RV770 is the high-end part.

Its the single chip high end part. The R700 (4870x2) wont release untell a month or two after. But who knows.

[XMAN52373]

These specs have actually been confirmed by several other more well known sites, and its supposed to launch in may.

Going by raw numbers it should be between 2 and 2.2 times as fast as the current 3870, which is pretty impressive for $350. Would be the fastest card on the market, even beating out the x2 cards.


I'll believe that when I see it. They also hyped the R600 and RV670/680 aswell and we all know how well those perform. Granted the 2900 never really contended for the top spot and the 3870s were just able to compete with 1 year old cards, what makes everyone think they have got it right this time? If the specs are true, they still have bottlenecks n the card that is going to leave people wondering, where the hell is this new king of the hill card from you guys. Check out B3D.com(thats beyond3d for those who dont know) and read the entire R700 speculation thread, you'll see what I am talking about as far as bottlenecks still being present on the RV770 that have been there since the r600.

[Revs]

True, but the same can be said of the nVidia cards, also. At lease it's gonna be interesting to see how it all unfolds. :)

[XMAN52373]

True, but the same can be said of the nVidia cards, also. At lease it's gonna be interesting to see how it all unfolds. :)


Outside of the fact that the entire 9 series is a joke with 1 exception being the 9600, what exactly about the Nvidia cards has them still bottlenecks from the 8 series. And remember, the G80 was 320 and 384bit buses with 20 and 24 ROPS, all G92s are 16 ROPS and 256bit buses and are => the G80 which to me, tells me the G80 wasn't bottlenecked, it was a design flaw that is causing this wierdness as whatever it was, they fixed it in the G92 chip. And the G92/9 series would have been much better recieved by us who keep up to date on these things had they performed 30-50% better than the G80s they replaced instead of the 5-15% that they do, GX2 not being included. As it stands, we are having to wait for the real next highend part from NV being the GT200, and if it delivers as well as it is expected too based on its design, the concensus at B3D is that the RV770 and even the R700 will be a repeat of the R600/Rv670/680 all over again.

[Revs]

I was mainly refering to the G92, not the G80. I don't think ATI had a high end card to compete back then. I was refering to the 256bit bus on the G92. Just pointing out that, currently, neither is without bottlenecks. NVidia are very good at working round there 256-bit restriction with this compression technology, though.

[XMAN52373]

I was mainly refering to the G92, not the G80. I don't think ATI had a high end card to compete back then. I was refering to the 256bit bus on the G92. Just pointing out that neither is without bottlenecks.

Actually they did, but the G80 blindsided them and everyone else when it launched that they had to recalculate their target for what they had for 2 cycles. Had the G80 not been all that and the horse it rode in on, the R600 trainwreck would not have been so bad, it may have even been the KOTH card to have.

Ah, but there again is my point, the G92 with a 256bit bus is =/> the G80 with its 320 and 384bit buses. Never mind the fact the reduction in ROPS to 16 from 20 and 24. It is very clear to me that for all the was right with the G80, there was something a miss in it aswell that got fixed with the G92 which would explain why the G92 with less bandwidth and fewer ROPS is able to beat out the older, more beefer G80 chips. The big question is though, what exactly was a miss with the design of the G80?

On a side note, ATI needs to increase their ROP counts, they can increase their clock speed all they want to, 16ROPs just isn't going to cut it. They have increased their ALUs and filtering areas which will help with shader and AA performance, but they are going to be bottlenecked at the ROP area.

[Revs]

I edited my last post before you posted yours. AFAIK it's the texture compression combined with the higher clocks that allows the G92 to compete.

BTW, I don't pretend to be expert on this subject, I don't really know what a ROP is and how it affects performance, but it's something i've been meaning to read up on. I've only been (back) into PC's since about 2 months before I joined here, but I do as much reading on things I don't know about as I can.

[hell_of_doom227]

Actually they did, but the G80 blindsided them and everyone else when it launched that they had to recalculate their target for what they had for 2 cycles. Had the G80 not been all that and the horse it rode in on, the R600 trainwreck would not have been so bad, it may have even been the KOTH card to have.

Ah, but there again is my point, the G92 with a 256bit bus is =/> the G80 with its 320 and 384bit buses. Never mind the fact the reduction in ROPS to 16 from 20 and 24. It is very clear to me that for all the was right with the G80, there was something a miss in it aswell that got fixed with the G92 which would explain why the G92 with less bandwidth and fewer ROPS is able to beat out the older, more beefer G80 chips. The big question is though, what exactly was a miss with the design of the G80?

On a side note, ATI needs to increase their ROP counts, they can increase their clock speed all they want to, 16ROPs just isn't going to cut it. They have increased their ALUs and filtering areas which will help with shader and AA performance, but they are going to be bottlenecked at the ROP area.


I don't see G92 beating G80 anywhere. There was no design flaw with G80. How do you explain that Geforce 9600 is close to Geforce 9800GTX in term of performance.
G80, G92 are simply not 100% utilized in the games. DX10 is not explored yet, and there is a lot of things to do on driver level as well.

[Revs]

I don't see G92 beating G80 anywhere. There was no design flaw with G80. How do you explain that Geforce 9600 is close to Geforce 9800GTX in term of performance.
G80, G92 are simply not 100% utilized in the games. DX10 is not explored yet, and there is a lot of things to do on driver level as well.

These GT's i've got now are faster (not massively, but noticeably) that the GTS 640 they replaced, despite having less RAM and a lesser bandwidth. As for the 9600GT, that's got the G94 GPU. I guess it's just even more efficient than the G92.

[XMAN52373]

I edited my last post before you posted yours. AFAIK it's the texture compression combined with the higher clocks that allows the G92 to compete.

BTW, I don't pretend to be expert on this subject, I don't really know what a ROP is and how it affects performance, but it's something i've been meaning to read up on. I've only been (back) into PC's since about 2 months before I joined here, but I do as much reading on things I don't know about as I can.


Be sure to goto Beyond3d.com then, you'll get more than enough info from there.


I don't see G92 beating G80 anywhere. There was no design flaw with G80. How do you explain that Geforce 9600 is close to Geforce 9800GTX in term of performance. G80, G92 are simply not 100% utilized in the games. DX10 is not explored yet, and there is a lot of things to do on driver level as well.

Then you aren't look at the right sites. Hell the 9600GT outdoes the 8800GTS(G80), how the hell can anyone explain that? I'll have two 9600GTs tonight and will be posting my results with them. Look to my sig for my current setup.

[AthlonXP1800]

55nm G92 cost 20 to 30% cheaper and performance on par with RV770, possible RV770XT.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=266999

Well the RV770 spec seemed very unimpressed and underwhelmed so ATI will lost next generation war yet again.

[kazna]

That source really confirmed everything AthlonXP1800. You're right, AMD is done cause some random person on a random forum said so. Thanks.

The specs are impressive, but most likely fake. Which makes this debate moot as we haven't seen what nVidia and AMD have planned for next gen. Everything is pure speculation and forum FUD.

[nekrosoft13]

Chinese(i think its Chinese) have really weird smilies.

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=20832&extra=page%3D1

not knowing the language, but just looking at the smilies, it looks creepy

[methimpikehoses]

http://bbs.chiphell.com/images/smilies/default/fd.gif

[SH64]

EDIT : nvm (4780 "rumored" benchies are posted in the other gfx cards forum)

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Really?

WHO CARES?


Its AMD crap company. I don't care if they say they are releasing a product with 80 Tflops. All their products are crap until they aren't. Until I see REAL WORLD benchmarks by REAL people, they are a subpar company with subpar products.

then you won't care about a 4870 OWNING your oldie 8800GTX? lolololol

[PlayerZen14]

lol

[Tygerwoody]

then you won't care about a 4870 OWNING your oldie 8800GTX? lolololol
lol I've had this "oldie" 8800GTX for a year and a half now. It still competitive with the top of the line ATI/AMD offering. LOL!


BTW. I love AMD and ATI. They are my favorite company in the world. I love subpar products and I am actually considering buying a Mac "Air" laptop when I get home. Viva La Revolucion.