Pretty good 5800 review

[bkswaney]

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3D/FX5800/

It overclocks to ultra speeds.
They also point out that it beats the 9700.
Heck in some test even the 9800.

I cannot wait for the Det 50's.
Here is the last thing they said.

"""Definitely, the performance of the card was improved dramatically from the higher core/mem clock and will be able to outperform the Radeon 9700 Pro this time."""

They were talking about at 500/1000.

Now before I get flamed I'm just saying the card is "getting better" with the newer driver releases.
Thats all.

We all know the 9800 is king. ;)

[garikfox]

Ditto: DET. 50.xxx me too :)

[garikfox]

hmm BK: just 3Dmark2003 got 2107 :( with .51 i hate PREAMTURE drivers lol

[bkswaney]

Originally posted by garikfox
hmm BK: just 3Dmark2003 got 2107 :( with .51 i hate PREAMTURE drivers lol

What? it got 4572 on there rig at 400/800. :confused:

[garikfox]

Wow nice

[garikfox]

Does Riva 12.4 rec. our FX ? i need a OC proggy i guess..

[bkswaney]

Originally posted by garikfox
Does Riva 12.4 rec. our FX ? i need a OC proggy i guess..

Coolbits is the only one i know of that works on the fx.

But NV has the memory locked on the 5800 ultra VIA Bios.
I wish I could find a memory OCer for it.
I've read that 1100 was easy on the ultra. Heck I could push my 3DM scores way up with a memory oc and core. :D :smoking2:
My core does 560 without dropping back on anything.
Tho for a bench I could go higher. ;)

[Hellbinder]

Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro. :rolleyes:

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.

[Rogozhin]

were they using application for both aa and af?

if not the comparison is far from being fair.

for example unless app if used with 8x af then trilinear isn't being forced.

rogo

[Kruno]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro. :rolleyes:

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

We all know that the reviewers have different results from normal users. We also know that an R300 clocked at 472MHz core and 720MHz memory is also faster than a NV30.

Of course you don't see many reviewers or even many users at those speeds. Hence with the fillrate available to me and the lack of bandwidth for the fillrate to be 100% utilised, my results are strange.

I would suggest people read the Beyond3D reviews as they tend to be very detailed.

Hellbinder, when comparing maximum IQ settings you are very right. The 9700 would wreck havoc on the NV30 regardless and unless a driver speeds up the heavy IQ modes by 150% (for exact numbers look for my percentage thread somewhere on these forums) otherwise there is no possible way for the NV30 to compete at max IQ.

By max IQ I mean max AF with trilinear and maximum AF modes that can be possibly forced. 16x AA in GL (or was it in D3D? I am 95% sure it is in GL. 8x in D3D) on the NV30 etc...

Some say this isn't fair but if you want to compare the framerate on max IQ settings then it's the only way to go.

[Rogozhin]

So this is the conclusion:

"Inno3D Tornado GeForce FX 5800 is not the best performing card you can find out there in the market especially with Radeon 9800 Pro cards around. Even Radeon 9700 Pro cards can offer better gaming performance at similar price point at the current moment. However, there are already some evidences that next generation games like Doom III will be able to perform better on NV30 architecture and also the games written on Cg programming will be able to utilize the engine to the fullest. Definitely, there are a number of consumers out there who prefer to stick with NVIDIA based cards for better compatibilities with games."

So they recomend this card because it MIGHT play doom 3 a little better than the r300 and r350 series, that one or two games using cg MIGHT run faster on the card, and that SOME consumers (did they form a survey and get reliable sources for this?) prefer it because nvidia (supposedly) has more compatablility with games.

That's the weakest form of logic I've ever seen in an article.

I'm all for nvidia producing some decent cards BUT this card is not one of them even based on their own premise.

Rogo

[jAkUp]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro. :rolleyes:

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.

for the last ****ing time..
the nv30 DOES beat the 9700 in some tests... high resolution, low aa or no aa... the 9700 takes the lead by a large margin as you start to increase the aa though. quality modes compared to quality modes... the geforcefx still wins in some tests... (im talking about application slider, not aa or af)

[hovz]

jakup in application mode, even 2aa or 2 af the nv30 loses

[jAkUp]

ok here is an example of where the geforcefx is faster... i cant find any 2xaa reviews.. but i knew there were some:

again im not saying the geforcefx is faster overall... but in some cases it is faster than the raddy... and also remember, these are on very old drivers

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=1802

[hovz]

as i said in application mode with any aa or af nv30 loses

[jAkUp]

i lose about 300 3dmarks moving from balanced to application mode... which is basically nothing... the new drivers really increase speed in the quality mode... here is another example... it says they used "high quality" but im not sure what that is...

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/10436208595cUSd31HIx_2_5.gif

[Kruno]

Originally posted by jAkUp
for the last ****ing time..
the nv30 DOES beat the 9700 in some tests... high resolution, low aa or no aa... the 9700 takes the lead by a large margin as you start to increase the aa though. quality modes compared to quality modes... the geforcefx still wins in some tests... (im talking about application slider, not aa or af)

Well duh! That's what I have been trying to say in my above post. Even though it may not have come out that way.
I was refering to the R300 beating the NV30 with max IQ options. I thought maybe someone might get a hint that low IQ options (2x AA etc...) the NV30 wins hands down. Some tests the NV30 even wins with 4X AA.

The NV30 isn't as horrible as some people may percieve it as. I don't think it's a horrible card, despite the NV30's disadvantages. The price of the card however is another thing. Around $1000 (depending what retailer, sometimes $1200 *cough* Harvey Norman, Clive Peters * cough* other times $950) for an 5800 Ultra here in Australia compared to a 9700 Pro $600.
Thes prices I'm stating are when you can get them cheap.

Prices like this have always been there for all NV's latest offerings.

Despite the drawbacks, it still is a good card. It's IQ isn't horrible (as I have been stating over the last few months) despite being behind the R300's.

I'm sure that most people do not play with over 2x AA and 8x AF. The NV30 will benefit those people.

[hovz]

Vamp: Flibbled

stop the spam

[Behemoth]

my card!!!!! :D

[hovz]

lol, but seriously can anyone help me?

[Behemoth]

Originally posted by hovz
lol, but seriously can anyone help me?
sorry cant help you on this one

[Behemoth]

Originally posted by Hellbinder

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.
should you also mention the totally inferior ati 8x lazy corner-cutting illusive exculsive-pretty-horizontal-flooring AF technology? lol :p

[LORD-eX-Bu]

hovz quit spamming.

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro. :rolleyes:

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.

Gaaaaaaaargh!!! can you ever let anyone have a different opinion to you for once in your life?! Yes we all bow before your godly knowledge hellbinder. But for once shut up if all you are going to do is talk down to people.

*vamp gets dragged away by Juicez and Volt before a fist fight ensues*

[bkswaney]

Everyone speaks of bad IQ.
hummm... it's funny how I cannot tell any difference in the radeon and 5800 with the naked eye.

Yes Mr HB we kiss the Radeons @ss. :rolleyes:
The only problem I have with the FX is the screensaver OH problem.

"Fact" some fanboyz give a good product a bad light. :p
"Fact" any site like THG etc that test these cards that has
the ultra winning is a sh!t site to the fanboyz of the other product.
"Fact" on "MY" system the 5800 is just about as fast as my Pro was.
"Fact" my 3DM01 and 03 scores are 1000 points higher with the Ultra with the same settings."IQ"

Don't get me wrong I LOVE the Radeon. It's a better card in most cases.
I hate to see people bashing a card that they do not even own.
The ultra is a wonderful, fast, mean looking card.

This reminds me of the 8500. The shoe is on the other foot.
The NV owners bashed the hell out of us 8500 owners to begain with. Then better drivers really helped out. ;)
Plus everyone and his brothers uncle does not own one. :) :):angel: