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bryce777
05-15-08, 09:47 PM
My present set up is;

Asus A8NE mobo Nvidia Nforce 4 chipset
XP 4600+ manchester core CPU
PC 3200 DDR 400 1024gb Geil dual channel RAM
Asus 7950 GT GPU
60gb WD Hard drive. ( yes thas 60gb)

Would there be a significant performance boost if I added. Significant being the key word LOL.

Raptor 150gb SATA WD hard drive
Asus 9800gtx 512 GPU
Extra 2gb DDR 400 RAM
Vista OS

Would Vista be a waste of time with this new set up? I was looking at a full re build but the $'s are too much at present.

Thanks to all.

mullet
05-16-08, 01:44 AM
I would get an Intel board and CPU with DDR2. I think you would eliminate the bottleneck and be happy.

bryce777
05-16-08, 02:10 AM
I would get an Intel board and CPU with DDR2. I think you would eliminate the bottleneck and be happy.


Iam trying to save some dollars hence my question.

PlayerZen14
05-16-08, 02:34 AM
sell everything...

...then buy new parts.

my thoughts exactly.

your 4600+ is going to limit the performance of your 9800gtx heavily, and ddr ram is dating. sell everything you have (maybe keep your hdd) and use that money to purchase a new system. if youre short on cash, dont get the raptor. you could pick up a seagate barracuda es or samsung spinpoint f1 for a lot less dough.

mojoman0
05-16-08, 03:34 AM
but how much would he make? He would definitely notice a large improvement in games, especially wit that ram and card. Is there a chart anywhere showing cpu bottlenecking??

CaptNKILL
05-16-08, 03:52 AM
but how much would he make? He would definitely notice a large improvement in games, especially wit that ram and card. Is there a chart anywhere showing cpu bottlenecking??
Not really. CPU loads are really hard to benchmark and record in most cases.

Personally, I'd drop the Raptor and get one of the new WD 640Gb drives. The cost per gig of a Raptor is terrible and they lost their speed advantage years ago. You can get a 640Gb for around $115 and its probably faster in most cases.

Also, to save some more money, get an 8800GTS 512Mb or even an 8800GT if it'll allow you to upgrade your motherboard and CPU.

The 4600+ isn't THAT bad... I ran my 8800GTX on a 4200+ (at 2.5Ghz) for around 9 months before getting my core 2 setup. It was clearly bottlenecked in a lot of games and I had a HUGE performance increase with my core 2, but it was still fairly fast with the X2.

If there isn't any possible way you can get another $300 for CPU, mobo and ram, then a faster video card will improve things quite a bit, but you'll still get severe slow downs in CPU heavy situations.

FlashFreeze
05-16-08, 04:33 AM
CPU bottlenecking depends on games and resolution. But accroding to the latest benchies yes a dual core AMD X2 at 2.4/2.5 chops a lot of frames off what a 9800GTX/Utra could have delievered if it was coupled with a better CPU at 1024x768 1280x1024 and in some cases at 1920x1200 or even 2560x1600! The interesting part is that it happens even with AA AF and/or eye candy on. Normally you woud expect that high res with all the bells and whistles on would negate the need for a fast CPU and I was under the same impression as well but apparently it's a little different now.

An AMD X2 @ 2.4/2.5 holds an 8800 Ultra back in:

WiC up to 2560x1600

GRAW2 up to 1920x1200

S.T.A.L.K.E.R up to 1024x768 and to a lesser extent at 1280x1024

ET:QW up to 1920x1200

Crysis up to 1920x1200

and 3DMV at performance setting wich doesnt really matter unless he cares much about benchmark scores.

CoD4 apparently is not all that dependent on CPU power.

A Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad even at 2.4 makes a lot of difference. Phenoms still suck (compared to intel) according to this review.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/1

CaptNKILL
05-16-08, 07:16 AM
Yeah, its amazing just how CPU heavy some games are in certain places. Whether its because of scene complexity, AI or physics, some areas in some games just completely tank and nothing will make them run better except for a more powerful CPU.

Its difficult to find good benchmarks or proof of these CPU bottlenecks because even if the framerate dropped 70% for just a few seconds it might only drop the average by 1 or 2fps. It will be extremely noticeable but it won't be long enough to significantly effect the benchmark results.

I think in most games the average framerate is more related to the GPU and the minimums are more likely to be CPU related unless the graphics card is being pushed too far already (ie. less than 40fps average).

You have to have a pretty slow CPU to hurt your overall average framerate in most games, but it doesn't take nearly as much to ruin the gameplay with slow downs.

FlashFreeze
05-17-08, 04:09 AM
Good point on min fps.

I remember experiencing min fps improvemnets in bioshock demo.

The difference was so visible that I still remember all its details. My 8800ultra coupled with an AMD X2 @ 2.75 was ok for bioshock demo except for the last scene where lots of security bots and enemy npc attacked at the same time which made the fps choppy.

Switching to intel C2Q @ 2.4 made the same scene run smooth with steady fps.

K007
05-17-08, 06:15 AM
The CPU Upgrade on my rig made my VST go from 149~ to nearly 300+...source loves CPU speed increase -.-. Was crazy boost.

grey_1
05-17-08, 08:22 AM
I went from...

Opteron175 @ 2.5
Gigabyte nf4
2gb pc3200
8800 SSC GTS - Clocks @ GTX speeds
80gb 8mb cache Hitatchi
XP pro

to

C2D E 4600 @ 250x12
Asus Pk5 SE (p35 chipset)
4gb Mushkin DDR2
9800GTX @ stock speeds
250gb 16mb cache Seagate
Vista Ultimate

With the exception of boot time (slower) and slower download speeds (still trouble shooting) everything is a good deal faster with my current hardware under Vista than under XP with my previous setup. Still cpu bottlenecked though.

I would pass on the raptor though. Check out some of the deals under the RSS feed at Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/RSS.aspx?Submit=SubCatDeals&N=2010150014

With cash saved there, and if you considered a 9600 or 8800GT instead of the 9800GTX, you could grab a budget board like mine and an E series C2D and 4gb DDR2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122) for awfully cheap.

Just my opinion of course, but that would be a much more balanced upgrade path. Then sell off your nf4, proc and ram and you'll have a dirt cheap, significantly more powerful system.

Hope this helps.

bryce777
05-22-08, 11:41 PM
The cost per gig of a Raptor is terrible and they lost their speed advantage years ago.

How have they lost their speed advantage?

crainger
05-23-08, 12:00 AM
How have they lost their speed advantage?

Since the 500Gb Sammy Sung F1 drives came out.

bryce777
05-23-08, 12:04 AM
Since the 500Gb Sammy Sung F1 drives came out.

Very fast hey! What price?

crainger
05-23-08, 12:44 AM
Last year I bought 2 for $140AUD each.