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Libertysyclone
06-07-08, 10:35 AM
surprised no one posted this one yet. sounds like there is some truth behind this one...FTL.

From the FUD:

Nvidia's Director or PR, Derek Perez, has told Fudzilla that Intel actually won't let Nvidia make its Nforce chipset that will work with Intel's Nehalem generation of processors.

We confirmed this from Intel’s side, as well as other sources. Intel told us that there won't be an Nvidia's chipset for Nehalem. Nvidia will call this a "dispute between companies that they are trying to solve privately," but we believe it's much more than that.

We all know that Jensen, Nvidia’s CEO, officially stated that Intel stepped over the line with its comments about Nvidia. Ever since Nvidia entered into the chipset license with Intel, Graphzilla was concerned with Intel's history of competing, and they would be naive not to.

If you are old enough, you will remember that Intel killed VIA’s Pentium chipset business, even though VIA had a legitimate license. Intel was cool toward Nvidia until recently, up until the point when Intel realized that a graphics card might be used for more than gaming and after Nvidia’s bold decision to keep SLI for itself. It was a tough decision to go against Intel, but if Intel got the SLI for its X58 chipset or any previous Intel chipset, business would be good as dead, or things would get much tougher then they are for Nvidia.

At this point Intel simply doesn’t want to honor its commitments toward he chipset license deal.

Nvidia has confirmed that it is officially becoming a victim of what VIA, AMD and many other companies have felt for a long time, as Intel tends to repress competition when threatened by superior products and technologies.

Nvidia is not the cleanest player around, but without a Nehelem chipset their chipset business unit might actually suffer some heavy losses, and obviously this is not what Nvidia wants.

Despite the fact that Nvidia has a license, Intel simply decided to cut Nvidia off. Intel is playing dirty, as Nvidia is the only company that has something that Intel really wants and cannot get.

It’s a Catch-22 situation, as Nvdia wants SLI support for itself, while Intel would love to get SLI for its Nehalem chipset; but Nvidia refuses to give it away.

Intel was always the bully and they simply won't let Nvidia make Nehalem chipsets, which is not really a fair and honest way of playing the game. At least Jensen and the rest of Nvidia are not sitting and waiting for mercy; they are all locked and loaded for the biggest fight of their careers.

Let’s not forget that Nvidia said that, “Intel's attempt to unilaterally and publicly interpret a contract between the two companies is unprecedented and unsupportable both legally and commercially.”

This Nvidia vs Intel dispute is simply becoming more interesting by the hour.

xbob
06-07-08, 12:35 PM
I think someone did, but this article is packed with negative spin. This has a way to go before it is played out, so I'm not sure it is worth worrying about yet. Big companies play hardball in the media all the time now, this might be another example. nVidia has the dominant graphics chipset, at least right now, and while losing the mobo chipset market might suck, I'd say nVidia will give up SLI exclusivity to sell more GPUs in the long run.

balex99
06-07-08, 12:55 PM
If this is true, how hard would nvidia need to be pushed to make their own CPU's? I don't know how much of effort it would take on Nvidia's part to make a cpu but could they make a cpu, chipset, and gpu for Nvidia products only and leave Intel to have to come up with a gpu for gaming?

Excuse me if I am way off here. I am sleepy at work and trying to stay awake.

K007
06-07-08, 01:34 PM
It wont be easy for Nvidia to go and make a CPU..it will be some time..and i don't think they can afford the resources...intel already has a huge ground..and next up is AMD and they are already selling both....now nvidia while having great gpus..is going to have a bit of a hard time trying to get SLi out on intel chips....

In a way...this would end up boosting amd i guess lol...if sli is only going to run on amd....unless AMD also comes up with the same BS -.-

rhink
06-07-08, 06:24 PM
nvidia could easily make another architecture cpu, indeed, they already have- the ARM chip in Tegra. Which btw is very interesting b/c it lets them start getting experience and engineers going in that area without the risk of going for a direct competitor for intel's flagship lines- besides, the thin-and-light market is a HUGE battleground going forward, and could be a potentially bigger market than desktops and laptops anyways. It's also interesting from the perspective that nvidia, not AMD or Intel, is actually the first company to combine a CPU and GPU. There's legal issues with making x86 cpu's though. They might be able to get around that by making a close partnership with via, though they're more likely to be competitive in the thin-and-light market with that relationship than in the higher end stuff, where via doesn't even bother trying anymore.

What intel's doing with chipsets could be viewed as anticompetitive behavior- using a virtual monopoly in one market (cpu's) to subdue competition and unfairly work towards monopoly in another market (video). This is more important than most people realize, I think. The biggest graphics market is the integrated one. nvidia obviously isn't going to be producing chipsets for AMD cpu's, and AMD is losing marketshare in the consumer product area anyways, so Intel prohibiting nvidia from producing chipsets for Intel is crucial.

Runningman
06-08-08, 03:38 AM
All of this crap aside, what are we going to get with USB 3.0 that we already dont have? Are we hitting any sort of perforamance barrier with USB 2 or other sort of limitation that need to be address?

Fotis
06-08-08, 08:34 AM
Well I cant say I was not expecting this.Nvidia has been hostile to intel for some time now and they are not licesing SLI to them.Nehalem will be a huge seller and nvidia cant count on Phenom to sell any chipset any time soon.
If this rumor comes true nvidias chipset business will go the way of the dodo.:(

Revs
06-08-08, 08:39 AM
surprised no one posted this one yet.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114338 :)

Fotis
06-08-08, 08:45 AM
double post

m0t0rcade
06-09-08, 03:07 AM
OK, thats nice that Intel decides to cut nVidia out......why can't nVidia cut Intel out?

Strike a deal with your old rival in AMD, and piss on Intel's parade.

Viral
06-09-08, 04:14 AM
OK, thats nice that Intel decides to cut nVidia out......why can't nVidia cut Intel out?

Strike a deal with your old rival in AMD, and piss on Intel's parade.

Because that's not going to work unless Shanghai has 10% higher IPC and clocks to at least 3GHz in some sort of decent volume. Oh, and it can't be delayed, either....

jimmyjames123
06-09-08, 07:09 PM
The only rational thing for NVIDIA to do would be to license SLI for use on Intel chipsets. After all, what % of the market really uses SLI? It surely must be a very very small percentage of people. No use getting screwed out of a much bigger market for the sake of exclusivity in a very small market.

Slappi
06-09-08, 10:13 PM
The day Nvidia makes a better all around chipset than Intel is the day Nvidia lets Intel do SLI.

Redeemed
06-09-08, 11:08 PM
nvidia could easily make another architecture cpu, indeed, they already have- the ARM chip in Tegra. Which btw is very interesting b/c it lets them start getting experience and engineers going in that area without the risk of going for a direct competitor for intel's flagship lines- besides, the thin-and-light market is a HUGE battleground going forward, and could be a potentially bigger market than desktops and laptops anyways. It's also interesting from the perspective that nvidia, not AMD or Intel, is actually the first company to combine a CPU and GPU. There's legal issues with making x86 cpu's though. They might be able to get around that by making a close partnership with via, though they're more likely to be competitive in the thin-and-light market with that relationship than in the higher end stuff, where via doesn't even bother trying anymore.

What intel's doing with chipsets could be viewed as anticompetitive behavior- using a virtual monopoly in one market (cpu's) to subdue competition and unfairly work towards monopoly in another market (video). This is more important than most people realize, I think. The biggest graphics market is the integrated one. nvidia obviously isn't going to be producing chipsets for AMD cpu's, and AMD is losing marketshare in the consumer product area anyways, so Intel prohibiting nvidia from producing chipsets for Intel is crucial.

Oh, really? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070930149+107192495&name=NVIDIA+nForce+700)
;)