View Full Version : Opera 9.5 (kestrel) final
NiukNiuk
06-12-08, 05:29 AM
http://files.myopera.com/EspenAO/albums/548363/kestrel_750x100.jpg (http://www.opera.com/download/)
http://my.opera.com/community/blog/opera-9-5
Today we released the final public release of our flagship Web browser, Opera 9.5. Opera's cross-device expertise, support for open Web standards and commitment to speed and performance has culminated into our most powerful browser yet.
http://www.opera.com/download/
Hrm, that was a bit of a let-down. Rather than being the most beautiful browser ever made, it's got this big black bar between the address bar and the tool bar which makes it look totally rubbish. And middle mouse button scrolling doesn't work - it just seems to run out of steam and stop working randomly as I scroll down a page. 'Tis a shame, Opera is the best browser there is for my N95. But this seems inferior to Firefox 2, nevermind Firefox 3. Bah.
crainger
06-12-08, 11:11 AM
I agree. I love Opera for my JasJam, but the new 9.5 now falls behind FF3. ::(:
LordJuanlo
06-12-08, 11:14 AM
Strange new look with that black bar, but page rendering is a lot faster, I have noticed it on my crappy office PC
I'm just downloading it now, so I don't know what to think yet, but looking at the changelog, it is clear that the changes goes deeper than the surface:
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/950/
Don't write it off too quickly.
LovingSticky
06-12-08, 04:19 PM
Opera was always much better than slowFox. It offers more functionality than slowFox with 30+ extensions, and is much faster. But market does not appreciate complex applications. slowFox, which was developed with IE6 in mind, appels to IT-ignorant people much more, as it reminds them of IE6, but without ActiveX support, thus "feels" more "secure" (if you want to call lack of functionality "security").
(I am IE7 + IE7Pro + Roboform user)
For anyone bugged by the black bar, either change the skin preference to Windows native, or download some other skin. This is just a very minor customization.
dxx,
And middle mouse button scrolling doesn't work - it just seems to run out of steam and stop working randomly as I scroll down a page
No problems here. Check your hardware and installations.
glObalist
06-12-08, 06:06 PM
Opera was always much better than slowFox. It offers more functionality than slowFox with 30+ extensions, and is much faster. But market does not appreciate complex applications. slowFox, which was developed with IE6 in mind, appels to IT-ignorant people much more, as it reminds them of IE6, but without ActiveX support, thus "feels" more "secure" (if you want to call lack of functionality "security").
(I am IE7 + IE7Pro + Roboform user)
What the **** are you talking about? Firefox built with IE6 in mind? Then how do you explain all the extensions (there's a LOT more than just 30, please go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ ) and tabbed browsing? IE6 never had any of that.
And how faster is Opera? 0.2 secs or 0.3 secs faster than Firefox? OMGIEVEWE!! I'll tell you what. The reason Opera is not as widespread is this- there already is a fine alternative to IE. It's called Firefox. Get on with the show and stop spreading FUD.
What the **** are you talking about? Firefox built with IE6 in mind? Then how do you explain all the extensions (there's a LOT more than just 30, please go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ ) and tabbed browsing? IE6 never had any of that.
And how faster is Opera? 0.2 secs or 0.3 secs faster than Firefox? OMGIEVEWE!! I'll tell you what. The reason Opera is not as widespread is this- there already is a fine alternative to IE. It's called Firefox. Get on with the show and stop spreading FUD.
If you are happy with FF, then by all means, stick with it. However it is you that is interjecting the FUD, so I won't bother with attempting to to enlighten you.
LovingSticky
06-12-08, 07:07 PM
And how faster is Opera? 0.2 secs or 0.3 secs faster than Firefox? OMGIEVEWE!! I'll tell you what. The reason Opera is not as widespread is this- there already is a fine alternative to IE. It's called Firefox. Get on with the show and stop spreading FUD.
slowFox (with about 30 extensions that I use) takes about 10 seconds to launch on my quadcore / 8GB RAM / ultra-fast Adaptec RAID computer, while Opera takes about 0.5 seconds, while having better functionality and less footprint. And that is HUGE difference, when you click on a link in email, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait some more.... (or see the page immediately w/ Opera and/or IE7)
Firefox is based on old Netscape code from 1998. In 2001, IE6 was the best browser, with excellent CSS support (at that time). But Mozilla team did a lot of wrong things. There was Mozilla Suite first, followed by Phoenix, Firebird, and finally "crippled" (Mozilla) Firefox 1.0, which had only very basic functionality (of original product). Mozilla team realised that crippled products get true mass appeal. So they did it.
At time of FF development, IE6 was a direct competitor, so developers basically copied-over its interface, and added Google search box. Nothing more. Firefox is the most famous copycat. But because of XUL it was horribly slow. Also tabs were added as an after-thought (bad copy of Opera MDI interface), they were not basic part of Firefox application, which is basically single-window, single-tab (deep inside) oriented.
Later on, lack of (newly crippled) slowFox functionality was slowly improved by extensions (you have to install about 30 of them to make it usable). This makes slowFox even more slow, as extensions are /mostly/ interpreted JavaScript code, unlike superfast C++ extensions for IE7 / Opera.
slowFox is an example of extremely poor and obsolete application design that gained huge market share. Opera was always better, but probably too difficult for uneducated massess to master.
IE7, released later on, had much better UI (obsolete slowFox still mimics IE6 from 2001). Opera was always the leader, being it mouse gestures, search bar, and/or advanced MDI interface. They had almost everything first.
slowFox is today very hard to install and maintain, as 30+ extensions (to make it usable) take a lot of time to hunt for. Opera and/or IE7 + IE7Pro + Roboform installation and upgrade is much easier :)
glObalist
06-13-08, 03:03 AM
slowFox is today very hard to install and maintain, as 30+ extensions (to make it usable) take a lot of time to hunt for. Opera and/or IE7 + IE7Pro + Roboform installation and upgrade is much easier :)
Dude, who cares about FF1.0. Ever since I and the majority of users discovered FF- which was around v1.5- it had tabs and extensions, leaving IE6 far behind.
Hard to install and maintain? LMAO. Ever heard of MozBackup (http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/)? Ever seen this button?
http://www.itworks.sk/pics/ff.jpg
And what would those 30+ extensions to make FF usable/on par with Opera/IE7 be?
You're really making my day. :headexplode:
glObalist,
Ever since I and the majority of users discovered FF-
A majority may exert control, but not over truth. The majority is almost always wrong. I don't want to go where the majority are destined.
glObalist
06-13-08, 03:30 AM
glObalist,
A majority may exert control, but not over truth. The majority is almost always wrong. I don't want to go where the majority are destined.
Ah alright, then let us all download FF1.0 and nitpick how bad it was compared to IE6 at the time of release.
glObalist,
LovingSticky only mentioned FF 1.0 in the historical sense and did a quite good job of summing up his/her points to bring the post that you were quoting up to date. I did not say anything about FF 1.0, but I guess that is your manner of posing a red herring, in hopes that someone might be guided by your belief and preference.
The real point is, that this thread is not about FF, regardless of how much you may try to make it so.
LovingSticky
06-13-08, 04:17 AM
Hard to install and maintain? LMAO. Ever heard of MozBackup (http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/)? Ever seen this button?
And what would those 30+ extensions to make FF usable/on par with Opera/IE7 be?
You're really making my day. :headexplode:
Dude, my slowFox is significantly better configured than yours, I am a webdesign pro. And I still hate it. I have it installed because I have to (test websites in it), and because Firebug extension is actually pretty useful. But for daily browsig? No way...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1935/opera95kestrelfinalnvnelb4.th.png (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opera95kestrelfinalnvnelb4.png)
But back on topic: Opera 9.50 is a very decent browser. I would recommend it to anynone over Firefox (if you do not need Roboform; in that case IE7 + IE7Pro would be better). Firefox = slow copycat, Opera = fast innovator.
If you are happy with Firefox, use it and be happy, but do not kid yourself that FF is something special (in terms of performance, innovation and/or features). It is not. If you would understand what Mozilla did within last 10 years with Netscape code, you would laugh at FF ;)
lan.dyano
07-03-08, 07:30 AM
I tried this version, it is very fast and beautiful browser to use
breathemetal
07-03-08, 01:19 PM
Well bye-bye FF. I like Opera a lot better since the last time i used it. For me, it's a lot faster than FF :)
NiukNiuk
07-03-08, 03:15 PM
Version 9.51 out !
breathemetal
07-04-08, 12:03 PM
After a good day of testing Opera is a LOT nicer than FF
crainger
07-04-08, 06:28 PM
It is, but there are so many extensions I cannot live without on Firefox. ::(:
The thing about Opera is it's just plain FAST :)
FF is great for personalization and I love the spell-checker, but Opera is simply a better quality browser.
-=Gib-McFragger=-
07-08-08, 02:37 AM
I just installed Opera 9.51 and after playing with it for a while, I realized it is just as gay as Opera has always been. I killed it and went back to FF3. Ghey looking browser+lack of decent extensions=Opera suck. Sure, it's marginally faster, but faster doesn't mean better.
crainger
07-08-08, 03:21 AM
I just installed Opera 9.51 and after playing with it for a while, I realized it is just as gay as Opera has always been. I killed it and went back to FF3. Ghey looking browser+lack of decent extensions=Opera suck. Sure, it's marginally faster, but faster doesn't mean better.
I hear the same thing from women too. ::(:
I just installed Opera 9.51 and after playing with it for a while, I realized it is just as gay as Opera has always been. I killed it and went back to FF3. Ghey looking browser+lack of decent extensions=Opera suck. Sure, it's marginally faster, but faster doesn't mean better.
Very "astute" observations. Now why not continue by explaining what you believe that FF can do better than Opera, and how...with or without any extensions? As for the appearance of the browser, you might also explain why it is so difficult to find a skin among the hundreds available that satisfies you? If simply skinning is insufficient, then why not customize Opera to fit your taste...it does not require any programming talent, only knowing a few mouse clicks.
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