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954rr
05-08-03, 11:44 PM
Hey everybody, seriously considering this setup. is it good for the price? and are they compatible?

AMD ATHLON XP 2500 "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- RETAIL
Specifications:
CPU: 1.83 GHz
Type: XP 2500 Barton Core
Cache: 512K L2, 128K L1, Total 640KB
BUS: 333MHz
Socket A
Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

ABIT NF7-S ,nForce2 SPP chipset Support AMD Socket A with 200/266/333 FSB ,8X AGP,SATA 150 ATX motherboard Retail
Specifications:
Supported CPU:AMD-K7 Duron/Athlon/Athlon XP Socket A
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP chipset with MCP2-T
FSB:200/266/333MHz
RAM:3x 184Pin DDR Supports 3 DIMM DDR 200/266/333 (Max. 3GB)or
2 DIMM DDR 400 (Max. 2GB)
IDE:2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100/133 (up to 4 Devices)
Slots:1 x AGP8X/4X, 5 x PCI slots
Ports:1xFDD, 2xSATA,2xUSB2,2xPS2,2xCOM,1xLPT and Audio Ports
Onboard Serial ATA: Supports transfer rates 150MB/s (1.5G bps)
Onboard Audio:6-Channel AC 97 CODEC
Onboard LAN: 10/100Mb Operation supports ACPI & Wake on LAN
Onboard Firewire: IEEE 1394a at 100/200/400MB/s transfer rate


2X CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 256MB 32MX8 PC-3200C2 With Heat Spreader OEM
Specifications:
Speed 400MHz
Organization 64M x 64
CAS Latency 2-3-3-6-T1
Memory type DDR
Part number: CMX256A-3200C2

$ 372.20

OR
Asus P4S8X Socket 478 DDR

P4 2.4Ghz 512K 533fsb

512MB DDR333 PC2700 Reg ECC Samsung

$450.00

Kain
05-09-03, 09:07 AM
I would go for the AMD setup as you will get better RAM.

Riptide
05-09-03, 09:31 AM
Not to mention the P4S8X is a piece of frickin junk. And that's no lie either. Take it from someone that went through hell trying to get a system up with that thing. It wouldn't run PC2700 @ SPD. I junked it, got a P4PE, and haven't looked back.

ASUS still makes some good boards. But they've had a couple junkers lately. I hope they aren't going downhill...

john19055
05-09-03, 11:11 AM
That sounds like a good setup,but I went with the A7N8X-Deluxe2.0 and I have 2x256 of Corsair PC3500 XMS and it over clocks good I been running at 220x10.5@2310 cpu core at 1.7 and memory at 2.6v 2-2-2-6 timeings.

p0lish_p0w3r
05-09-03, 11:25 AM
I decided over 1 yr ago to buy a p4 over AMD.
I bought a 1.8A P4 with an EPOX mobo.
512MB of 2100 DDR.
GF4 4200

I made teh best choice i could have at that time.
The cpu overclocks to 2.6 hgz with air cooling [ thermaltake volcano 7+] i can lock anything i want on the epox mobo, i can overclock any agp/pci/ram.
My ram runs at 2700 speed.

I dunno why there are so many ppl hating on pentiums.. especially those that can overclock by 800 mhz without any stupid unlocking......

jAkUp
05-09-03, 11:34 AM
not to mention they run cooler allowing you to oc higher... im a pentium fanboy:D

Kain
05-09-03, 11:35 AM
I dunno why there are so many ppl hating on pentiums.. especially those that can overclock by 800 mhz without any stupid unlocking...... Who said people hate Intel Pentium 4s? :confused:

954rr
05-09-03, 03:18 PM
thanks for your help guys. by the way, what's a good, relatively cheap p4 board that doesn't suck?

saturnotaku
05-09-03, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by jAkUp
not to mention they run cooler allowing you to oc higher... im a pentium fanboy

Problem is, if your system gets too hot with a P4, the system will downclock the processor. So it may run cooler, but it may not be running as fast you have it set. While having this type of built-in thermal protection is good, it's something that could prevent you from maximizing the potential of the processor.

Bear in mind, I personally don't hate the Pentium 4 at all. As a matter of fact, I would have bought a P4 as my last upgrade if I could have bought a motherboard with all the features I wanted (and didn't cost over $200). The P4 has some excellent engineering, but for the money I still believe AMD to be the better value.

If you're interested in the P4, a good motherboard that doesn't have a lot of frills but can still be overclocked is the Albatron PX845PEV Pro. Board costs $85, but has proven to be quite solid. Here's (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1723&p=3) Anandtech's review.

954rr
05-09-03, 03:58 PM
That seems to be a good review. One more question, does the p4 2.4c have hyper-threading? (sorry if I should know this)

saturnotaku
05-09-03, 04:01 PM
Only P4 3.06 GHz and higher CPUs will have Hyper-Threading enabled.

954rr
05-09-03, 04:13 PM
too bad the ht p4's cost so !@# much! do you think it's worth buying and/or waiting for the price to come down?

Riptide
05-09-03, 04:58 PM
I can vouch for the 845PE. A very reliable chipset. A workhorse would be a good word to describe it. It's not the fastest badboy out there having only single channel memory support but it's pretty darn reliable.

Sure beats the hell out of that piece of junk P4S8X.

Can you tell I hate that motherboard? ;)

p0lish_p0w3r
05-09-03, 06:34 PM
P4 expensive ? Not really.... We have witnessed a price war raging between AMD and Intel. The truth is that Pentiums have gone down in price and teh newest AMD cpu's are coming out with all time price tags on them. Just to prove myself here are two prices from newegg.com :

p4 1.8A - $141.50 [retail]
amd athlon XP 2600+ [2.08 Ghz] /333 bus - $155 [retail]

Taking under consideration that the 1.8A overclocks easily to 2.6 Ghz [with air cooling] and that xp2600+ really does not stand for clock speed rather than "p4 - comparable performance" I dont consider p4 expensive in this comparison. A p4 overclocked like that runs 39-41 celcius idle and 46-48 under full load and on the middle speed of my Volcano 7+. Moreover the board that i am using is not on an expensive side either. It is an epox EP-4BDA2+
with integrated RAID and 400 mhz bus support. It is extremely friendly when overclocking. The next generation board form epox with the new 533 bus costs $98 on newegg.

The p4 1.8a is a technology from over a year ago but it still matches those CPU's introduced by AMD not that long ago. And when it comes to pricing i'd even pay those $30-60 more for my Pentium than for the equivalent AMD. At least for me, cpu is the most important part of my box.

Sorry i have taken that much of ur time.....

VeritechK7
05-09-03, 07:33 PM
hmmm from what i've read all the p4C [p4s with 200/800 fsb will have hyperthreading support so you can rig a hyperthreading box for good money]

954rr
05-10-03, 02:38 AM
yeah I coulda swore I seen something about the p4 2.4C having h-t?!

VeritechK7
05-10-03, 02:47 AM
yeah all the new p4s have hyperthreading enabled ..forgot where i saw it too ..must have been on a review site somewhere

sytaylor
05-10-03, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by p0lish_p0w3r
P4 expensive ? Not really.... We have witnessed a price war raging between AMD and Intel. The truth is that Pentiums have gone down in price and teh newest AMD cpu's are coming out with all time price tags on them. Just to prove myself here are two prices from newegg.com :

p4 1.8A - $141.50 [retail]
amd athlon XP 2600+ [2.08 Ghz] /333 bus - $155 [retail]

Taking under consideration that the 1.8A overclocks easily to 2.6 Ghz [with air cooling] and that xp2600+ really does not stand for clock speed rather than "p4 - comparable performance" I dont consider p4 expensive in this comparison. A p4 overclocked like that runs 39-41 celcius idle and 46-48 under full load and on the middle speed of my Volcano 7+. Moreover the board that i am using is not on an expensive side either. It is an epox EP-4BDA2+
with integrated RAID and 400 mhz bus support. It is extremely friendly when overclocking. The next generation board form epox with the new 533 bus costs $98 on newegg.

The p4 1.8a is a technology from over a year ago but it still matches those CPU's introduced by AMD not that long ago. And when it comes to pricing i'd even pay those $30-60 more for my Pentium than for the equivalent AMD. At least for me, cpu is the most important part of my box.


Hmm well for a start the 1.8 p4 won't do anywhere near the same as the xp 2600+ stock, so $ for $ the athlon is a LOT cheaper. When you start talking about overclocking the temperatures you just named sound like an athlons anyway, so you aren't gaining anything in stability. Lets not also forget that its possible to squeeze some juice out of a 2600 (and especially the 2400).

The pentuim 4's that perform the same as AMD's mid range processors at stock cost more anyways, even if you cna overclock them more. SO at the end fo the day it comes down to how much you want to spend. Intel are certainly the fastest and coolest (in temperature) chips, but are they better?

Not unless you have $500 to spend on a cpu

p0lish_p0w3r
05-10-03, 08:22 AM
Intel are certainly the fastest and coolest (in temperature) chips, but are they better?

In my opinion faster is better, and I'd certainly pay more for the better processor....

Anyways I need to build a cheap file server on a duron CPU and with 256 Mb ram and on a mobo that supports Raid 0,1

Any of u know such a mobo ?

saturnotaku
05-10-03, 09:15 AM
Abit KR7A-RAID. I have one for sale if you're interested. Make me an offer.

volt
05-10-03, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by p0lish_p0w3r
In my opinion faster is better, and I'd certainly pay more for the better processor....

Anyways I need to build a cheap file server on a duron CPU and with 256 Mb ram and on a mobo that supports Raid 0,1

Any of u know such a mobo ?

p0lish: I might be selling my AXP 1900+ since I'm replacing it with Barton. Same with mobo / ram. Get the estimate to that guy and see what he says.

p0lish_p0w3r
05-10-03, 12:47 PM
u know we need raid for that pc
most likely integrated into the mobo

duron+256ram+2x20 gb on raid
thats what we need
just if any of u knows of a cheap duron mobo that has raid already built in......

volt
05-10-03, 06:59 PM
doesnt have to be duron mobo...an older athlon board will be inf, like saturn said :)

Woodelf
05-10-03, 08:23 PM
I'd go with the Athlon.;)

p0lish_p0w3r
05-11-03, 10:01 AM
It took me some time and different websites to go to but once again i chose all the stuff from newegg. Those guys are simply amazing. The configuration below will serve a purpose of a mirrored through RAID file server for a small accounting company that operates 5 machines in a small LAN.


What do u guys think ?
I think it is more than they need.


1. MSI SLIM PC|MSI METIS 266 Model MS-6252(010) Retail $138 + $10 S&H
Specifications:
Supported CPU:Supports AMDŽ AthlonXP, Athlon, and Duron, up to XP2600+
Chipset:Integrated in VIAŽ KM266
FSB:200/266MHz
RAM:2 x DIMM (DDR266/200), max. 2GB
Slots:3 x PCI Slot, 1 x AGP (Support AGP2.0 2x/4x)
Ports:4x USB 2.0 Port + 1 x Speaker-out Jack + 1 x Mic-in Jack (5.1 ch.) + 1 x Line-in Jack + 1 x VGA Port + 1 x LAN Jack + 1 x COM Port + 1 x Parallel Port + 2 x PS/2 Port + 1 x Power Connection
Power Supply:180W PSU (110V w/o PFC and 220V w/i PFC)
Dimensions:92(H) x 310(W) x 426(D)mm
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=56-101-110-02.JPG/56-101-110-03.JPG/56-101-110-04.JPG/56-101-110-05.JPG/56-101-110-06.JPG/56-101-110-07.JPG

2. AMD Duron 1.3GHz Socket A PGA Processor [REATIL] $45
Specifications:
CPU: 1.3 GHz
Type: Duron
Cache: 192K
BUS: 200MHz
Socket: A (PGA) Retail (Box with Heatsink and fan) Model#: D1300BOX

3. Buffalo Technology 256MB PC2100 DDR Memory Module 32X8 (Hynix Module) $27
Specifications:
Type: 184-pin DDR
Capacity: 256MB
Speed: DDR266
4 Layer DIMM

4. Koutech IOFUTURE IO-PIR133 ULTRA DMA/133 IDE HARD DISK CONTROLLER WITH RAID $22 + $4 S&H
1 YR MFR Warranty & NONE End User Support Ultra DMA (ATA) 133MB/sec data transfer rate Two (2) independent Ultra ATA/133 channels Supports up to four (4) IDE devices Supports software RAID function (RAID 0, 1, 0+1) ATA clock independent from PCI bus 256 Byte FIFO per ATA channel Large FIFO independent Supports Ultra DMA 6/5/4/3/2/1, PIO 4/3/2/1/0, DMA 2/1/0 modes IDE drive types support ATA, Fast ATA-2, EIDE, Ultra ATA/33, Ultra ATA/

5. MAXTOR 30GB 7200RPM Model # 6E030L0 OEM, DRIVE ONLY 2x $60
Diamond Max Plus
Specifications:
Size: 30 Gigabytes
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
Seek time: <10ms
RPM:7200
Cache 2MB
OEM(Drive alone) 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty Model#: 6E030L0

TOTAL $366 with S&h