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Blacklash
06-28-08, 09:17 AM
EDIT:

As far as 790i goes the first BIOS I used blew. The latest from XFX and Evga rock. I have zero stability problems and my Q6600 is doing fine. If something odd or terrible happens, I'll certainly sound off about it.

Blacklash
07-03-08, 12:25 PM
Hexus just did a review of a GTX 260 @ 640 on the core. The GTX 280 in the review is @ 615-

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14144&page=1

12axing
07-06-08, 04:55 AM
Just experienced, that atis demo "Whiteout" runs fine on my geforce gtx 280 ( http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rhd2000.html ). The lack of shading processors seems to be the only reason, why it did not run on my geforce 9800 gtx ...

MisterMister
07-06-08, 04:50 PM
I have zero issues with my OC'd SLI 9600GT set up as well. Going on 3 months with not a single problem.

Blacklash
07-10-08, 01:30 AM
Overclocked GTX 260 review-

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/evga_gtx260/

Blacklash
07-10-08, 03:07 PM
Driverheaven just put up a review for overclocked GTX 280s-

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=586

Blacklash
07-11-08, 06:05 PM
Bit-tech has a review up. It's got all the latest cards-

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/07/11/summer-2008-graphics-performance-roundup/1

Ambrose
07-12-08, 01:21 AM
Bit-tech has a review up. It's got all the latest cards-

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/07/11/summer-2008-graphics-performance-roundup/1

Hmm, better Crysis performance on the GTX 280 under DX10 @ 1920 x 1200... something is fishy there..

nekrosoft13
07-20-08, 04:21 AM
probably the best review, covers 40+ games

GTX 280, 260 and 4870

http://www.egielda.com.pl/?str=art&id=4400

fivefeet8
07-20-08, 05:30 AM
Hmm, better Crysis performance on the GTX 280 under DX10 @ 1920 x 1200... something is fishy there..

Looks like the GTX280 and GTX260 gained performance from 0xAA to 2xAA. :o

Chiggs
08-02-08, 07:51 PM
probably the best review, covers 40+ games

GTX 280, 260 and 4870

http://www.egielda.com.pl/?str=art&id=4400


Excellent review. The GTX 260 kicks all sorts of ass. Sort of mirrors the OC Club review. Guess they were both using the 177.41 drivers.

cvearl
08-02-08, 08:48 PM
probably the best review, covers 40+ games

GTX 280, 260 and 4870

http://www.egielda.com.pl/?str=art&id=4400

Excellent review. The GTX 260 kicks all sorts of ass. Sort of mirrors the OC Club review. Guess they were both using the 177.41 drivers.


Or more accurately has to do with the fact that they are using a very overclocked GTX260 that is clocked faster than the eVGA FTW edition. Which is the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 on the shelf today.

Standard clocks for GTX260 are 576/1000
Zotec GTX260 AMP = 648/1053
eVga GTX260 FTW edition = 666/1105
Review clocks used = 675/1116

So I guess a person needs to look at things closely. Probably not indicative of standard performance for a GTX260. Nor indicative of a 4870 as they are overclocking that as well. So now I get what that review is based on. At best overclocks THEY could achieve across the gammut of games. Which makes sense now because as I read the results, I was expecting the 4870 to lose in more of the tests based on the overclock of that GTX260. The reason it was keeping pace was the overclock I guess.

They borked the DX10 AA benchies of Bioshock by excluding the 4870. It does have AA in Bioshock DX10. At least as far as I can tell.

4870 holds up pretty well against even that kind of an overclock. Trading blows throughout the review.

Either card are awesome for $300. It's unbelievable really.

C.

Chiggs
08-03-08, 01:45 AM
Or more accurately has to do with the fact that they are using a very overclocked GTX260 that is clocked faster than the eVGA FTW edition. Which is the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 on the shelf today.


I just want to point out that the review does include a stock GTX 260, as does the OC Club review. In both cases, the stock GTX 260 MORE than holds its own with the 4870 (excluding Call of Juarez). I was actually surprised by how many times the 4870 was beaten.

I've noticed that most of the reviews done in July use the 177.41 drivers, as opposed to the ones in June when it debuted. These new reviews paint a much different picture of the 260, IMO.

cvearl
08-03-08, 09:06 PM
I just want to point out that the review does include a stock GTX 260, as does the OC Club review. In both cases, the stock GTX 260 MORE than holds its own with the 4870 (excluding Call of Juarez). I was actually surprised by how many times the 4870 was beaten.

I've noticed that most of the reviews done in July use the 177.41 drivers, as opposed to the ones in June when it debuted. These new reviews paint a much different picture of the 260, IMO.

Actually it does not. All of the results in the chart are that GTX260 with the big overclock as far as I can tell.

C.

Heinz68
08-03-08, 10:12 PM
I did read so many reviews and in all the HD 4870 performance (in most games) was between GTX 260 and 280, I don't think any arguments can be made about that. Most review recommendations were also based on that.
I agree with cvearl "Either card are awesome for $300" (now for even less in some deals).
One should never forget if it was not for ATI the NVIDIA 200 series would never be priced so low.
The way I look at it, maybe it's a good time to do some ATI payback, at the same time keep ATI competitive and teach NVIDIA some lesson.
I do believe they deserve it.

Chiggs
08-04-08, 11:40 AM
Actually it does not. All of the results in the chart are that GTX260 with the big overclock as far as I can tell.

C.


I stand corrected. The egielda.com reviews does, like you said, only include the OC'd 260. That said, the OC Club review includes both, and the results are much like I stated earlier. For instance, CoD 4 benches:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/evga_gtx260/9.htm

Note that they have the EVGA 260 and EVGA 260 OC on the chart. The 4870 gets beaten far more than it did in mid-to-late June.

Edit: It looks like in that Egielda review, they're using a highly OC'd 4870.

nekrosoft13
08-04-08, 12:28 PM
Or more accurately has to do with the fact that they are using a very overclocked GTX260 that is clocked faster than the eVGA FTW edition. Which is the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 on the shelf today.


They borked the DX10 AA benchies of Bioshock by excluding the 4870. It does have AA in Bioshock DX10. At least as far as I can tell.



C.

actually the 4870 is also highly OC'ed so the review is fair. OC'ed card vs OC'ed card

they have not borked Bioshock benchmark. in the review they did write that AA in DX10 version of Bioshock simply didn't work for ATI card.

Tak czy owak (również z powodu niedziałającego AA na Radeonie) obydwaj producenci powinni poprawić sterowniki do tej gry.

check google for translation http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Just like they had big problems with enabling AA in Double Agent on nvidia card.

cvearl
08-04-08, 12:35 PM
I stand corrected. The egielda.com reviews does, like you said, only include the OC'd 260. That said, the OC Club review includes both, and the results are much like I stated earlier. For instance, CoD 4 benches:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/evga_gtx260/9.htm

Note that they have the EVGA 260 and EVGA 260 OC on the chart. The 4870 gets beaten far more than it did in mid-to-late June.

Edit: It looks like in that Egielda review, they're using a highly OC'd 4870.

Ya I noted that the 4870 is also overclocked in Egielda's review in my reply. Wait for the HIS ICEQ4 4870 and we might see better overclocks on the 4870 as those were not that special TBH.

Now. Just remember the card in the Overclocker Club review is possibly the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 you can buy. Oops. eVGA just released the COPPER version HC. How many friggan GTX260's do we need?! This is one brand. Hahahaha. So the FTW GTX260 is indeed a very good card.

But still not the standard GTX260 that we have seen tested previously. What you might be witnessing in some other reviews is a stock GTX260. Now I'm sure that there is some improvement in drivers since those reviews, however, the real culprit is more likely the higher clocks in both reviews you meantion. It's tricky but look closely at the OCClub review.

Keep in mind looking at eVGA's product line up below that the Overclockers Club is reviewing the eVGA FTW edition card... The blue bar in the charts. This does not necisarily represent most GTX260's and certainly explains the pereformance difference seen in previous reviews. there is no standard GTX260 in their review.

EVGA GTX260 Standard Edition = 576/2000 (Many reviews used this clocked version)
EVGA GTX260 Superclocked Edition = 602/2052
EVGA GTX260 SSC Edition = 626/2106
EVGA GTX260 FTW Edition = 666/2214 This is the reviewed card in Overclockers Club review.
EVGA GTX260 in Egielda's review = 675/2232 This is the reviewed card in Egielda's review.
EVGA GTX260 HC (Copper plate) Edition = 684/2214


My only problem with this is that it starts to create some confusion. Alot of buyers will peruse a review like that and think WOW! Look at the GTX260 overtaking the 4870 and even the 280 (like in the OCClub review) and then they run out and buy a basic, more abundant and less expensive model thinking they got the same card when they in fact have not. Hahahaha. eVGA gets the pick of the bin and then they get to push the card to it's limits but certainly not indicative of the standard GTX260's out there. Oh and the FTW and other overclocked editions cost more than the standard 260's as well in many cases.

C.

cvearl
08-04-08, 12:45 PM
they have not borked Bioshock benchmark. in the review they did write that AA in DX10 version of Bioshock simply didn't work for ATI card.

Interresting. I have AA in DX10 Bioshock. I am pretty sure I do. Guess I will have to check it again later to be sure but I am almost certain as the doods over at Rage told me it was working now and I checked myself to make sure they were not fibbing.

I'll get back to you on that.

C.

Darkhitman
08-04-08, 01:07 PM
I can provide a little bit of light on this matter with the HD4870 vs the GTX 260 because I have owned both and have decided to go with the GTX 260.

In my own personal testing (both highly overclocked as I had the HD 4870 running at 870mhz core and 4400 mhz mem using AMD GPU tool with a high cfm fan attached to the card, and using Riva Tuner I have the GTX 260 running at 750mhz core, 1550 shader and 2600 mem.) For some reason the OC did not do as much for the HD 4870 as I thought it should have, this could be a driver issue though.

Now to start the HD 4870 and GTX 260 are both a really nice cards but the deal breaker for me was the higher min FPS accross the board in all my games with the GTX 260. Now this could also be a driver issue for the 4870, im not really sure but either way I just like the consistency that the 260 provides while gaming.

A little comparison as to what I found (I have since then upgraded to a Quad core cpu so I will compare my results as to when I had my E6300@3.4ghz)-

FEAR 1680X1050 4XAA and 16XAF all settings maxed.

GTX 260 min 85fps HD 4870 min 55fps
Average and Peak FPS were also a good bit higher on the 260


Bioshock 1680X1050 Maxed in game settings DX10 16XAF no AA

GTX 260 Min 84 HD 4870 min 58 fps

Bioshock 1680X1050 DX9 4XAA 16XAF maxed in game settings

GTX 260 Min 59 HD 4870 Min 35, again the max and average were better on the 260

Mass Effect 1680X1050 Maxed settings No AA 16XAF

Citadel Level------GTX 260 pegged at 60FPS HD 4870 seemed to fluctuat from 40-50fps

Since getting my Quad core CPU I have tested the GTX 260 with 4XAA again in the citadel and get 55-60fps, I never got to test the 4870 With AA but I would assume the FPS would drop a bit since this game is also using the UE3 engine like Bioshock.


Oblivion 1680X1050 4XAA 16XAF all options set to max.

GTX 260 56fps in the thick foilage HD4870 60+fps in the thick foilage.......HD 4870 is a bit faster here.


Two Worlds 1680X1050 4XAA 16XAF all settings at max

GTX 260 60fps in the outside areas HD 4870 35-40fps in the outside areas........Im sure this is just drivers for ATI.



Half Life EP2 1680X1050 8XMSAA 16XAF all settings at max.

Pretty much a tie between the two cards with just slightly better mins on the 260.


Crysis I will not mention, the game seems to run better on Nvidia hardware anyway and just flys along on my GTX 260 even with AA enabled. The HD 4870 did not do well here at all but again im sure its just driver optimizations.



Overall both are great cards but I feel the HD 4870 is being held back by drivers at the moment, the HD 4870 is a very complex piece of hardware and needs a great set of drivers in order to see its true potential.

Darkhitman
08-04-08, 01:10 PM
Interresting. I have AA in DX10 Bioshock. I am pretty sure I do. Guess I will have to check it again later to be sure but I am almost certain as the doods over at Rage told me it was working now and I checked myself to make sure they were not fibbing.

I'll get back to you on that.

C.

I could never get it to work and neither can my friend with his 4870 using the 8.7 driver.

Chiggs
08-04-08, 01:33 PM
But still not the standard GTX260 that we have seen tested previously. What you might be witnessing in some other reviews is a stock GTX260. Now I'm sure that there is some improvement in drivers since those reviews, however, the real culprit is more likely the higher clocks in both reviews you meantion. It's tricky but look closely at the OCClub review.


Ah, okay. I see what you're saying. That is a wee bit tricky.

cvearl
08-04-08, 03:07 PM
I could never get it to work and neither can my friend with his 4870 using the 8.7 driver.

I just checked. Seems to be working for me. Not all edges get AA'd though. But many do. Ah well.

Wish I still had an nVidia card to compare to but at the moment I do not.

C.

Blacklash
08-16-08, 10:17 AM
I hope when they shrink the 280 and jack up its core and shader clock they don't reduce the memory interface size and ram amount. That card @ 660-700 on the core with a 1600+ shader clock should be nice.

As far as the GTX 260 goes I like the one I am overclocking a lot. It runs games very smoothly without a lot FPS fluctuations. The only game that clowns it @ 1920x is Crysis all very high.

I play a lot of AoC with; full shadows enabled, bloom, all high and 4xAA|16xAF. It plays very fluid.

namuk
08-17-08, 11:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU5GkRsucQY

anyone seen this