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Bman212121
06-17-08, 12:27 PM
I am having a hard time deciding what to do. The geek in me says use the step-up. It's only $38. But the benchmarks just are not making me want to pull the trigger.

IMO I would step up because it will be a better decision in the long run. At the present time their might not be as many games where the 512MB framebuffer is overrun but if you keep the card for a year we could see more titles like alan wake that could struggle with higher resolutions.

Here is my favorite benchie.

Doing okay, but already slower than a GTX 280
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/577/gtx280/wic-1920-bar.jpg

Death by framebuffer :headexplode:
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/577/gtx280/wic-2560-bar.jpg

:p

Pcper's article really shows when AA is applied the GX2 can't hold up to the GTX 280. Without AA the GX2 is usually faster or about equal.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=577&type=expert&pid=1

Gorion
06-17-08, 12:28 PM
Looks good. I'm #118 in the queue.

The geek in me took over :)

pizzaguy
06-17-08, 12:30 PM
Looks good. I'm #118 in the queue.

The geek in me took over :)


Good decision.

Revs
06-17-08, 01:14 PM
Looks good. I'm #118 in the queue.

The geek in me took over :)

If nothing else it'll have a better resale value and i'm sure the drivers will improve.

slaWter
06-17-08, 02:05 PM
Looks good. I'm #118 in the queue.

The geek in me took over :)

Nice :) It's the better card.

Riptide
06-17-08, 02:33 PM
My 8800GTX can run most every game I have at 2560x1600 with full effects. Only with Crysis do I have to scale back some (and only some) of the effects to make it playable. And since I haven't touched Crysis in a couple of months...

I think I'll be waiting for the fall/winter refresh, and grab a new card along with one of the new Nehelam CPUs.

+1

8800GTX works fine for everything except Crysis and it's not worth the outlay to upgrade for one of these new ones right now. I'll see what ATI has to offer but most likely will be waiting another six months or more.

LT.Schaffer
06-17-08, 02:55 PM
+1

8800GTX works fine for everything except Crysis and it's not worth the outlay to upgrade for one of these new ones right now. I'll see what ATI has to offer but most likely will be waiting another six months or more.


+1 My 8800GTX is perfect for Playing @ 1680X1050 with Max settings:)

Although i would love to get one i must resist!

I need to finish building the Rig for my Bro... and build a new one for my mom.[so money is tight]

I actually played MOH Airborne last night @ 1680X1050 16QXAA 16XAF and it was awesome..
So my card still has some life in it. [i bought it in Feb 07]

methimpikehoses
06-17-08, 03:03 PM
No its not and I dont know why people keep saying this.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1683042&postcount=78

Look Rob, the standard clocked 280 loses to the 9800GX2 in half of the games in that post, and it costs $200 more.

Now if you're running more than one monitor, it makes sense. Otherwise, it makes less sense.

K007
06-17-08, 06:11 PM
It may lose @ max fps...and it could be due to its higher shade clock...but the GTX280 defiantly has a better min fps...and this could be due to having 1GB of memory on it...which is sad because if 9800GX2 truly had 1GB of ram to work with...it might win..

BCKator
06-17-08, 09:03 PM
my G80 is fine, will wait and see what ATi has to offer, and then maybe buy 9800GX2.

GTX 280 for 650+ bucks is ****ing insane, nvidia price fail

I thought I read they were EOL'ing the 9800GX2. If so, don't wait too long.

pizzaguy
06-18-08, 01:26 AM
Look Rob, the standard clocked 280 loses to the 9800GX2 in half of the games in that post, and it costs $200 more.

Now if you're running more than one monitor, it makes sense. Otherwise, it makes less sense.


Dont be ridiculous. For one thing the games that the 9800GX2 are ahead in are just by the skin of its teeth and the others that it loses in are by a pretty good margin.

I really cannot believe that you could be so naive that you would judge this cards performance off of launch drivers.

methimpikehoses
06-18-08, 01:28 AM
nvm

E30325i 2.7
06-18-08, 02:15 AM
Dont be ridiculous. For one thing the games that the 9800GX2 are ahead in are just by the skin of its teeth and the others that it loses in are by a pretty good margin.

I really cannot believe that you could be so naive that you would judge this cards performance off of launch drivers.

I don't think the 280 will OC as much as the 9800GX2 and i dont think it will gain much speed whit newer drivers, its has been ready for a loooong time, there been lots of time to get great drivers for it.

G-Man
06-18-08, 06:42 AM
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=500923

2x4850 CROSSFIRE $400 > GTX 280 $650

pizzaguy
06-18-08, 10:50 AM
I don't think the 280 will OC as much as the 9800GX2 and i dont think it will gain much speed whit newer drivers, its has been ready for a loooong time, there been lots of time to get great drivers for it.

As usual the GX2 guys come out of the wood works to defend there purchase when something better comes along.

How can you be so naive to think that better drivers will not give the GTX 280 a performance boost? I mean really? and as for overclocking you obviously have not even bothered to research it because the 280 overclocks great.

You GX2 guys who already plunked down all that you could spend are just pissed off that a better single card solution is on the market and you should have waited just a bit longer before spending your $$$. I have seen this same thing happen time and time again with previous GX2 cards and its always the same.


Give me a single card with a true 1gb of vram and a big bus to go along with it and watch that card sing at high resolutions with high amounts of AA and AF and at the same time watch your GX2 become completely crippled under the same settings.

Gorion
06-18-08, 10:59 AM
As usual the GX2 guys come out of the wood works to defend there purchase when something better comes along.

How can you be so naive to think that better drivers will not give the GTX 280 a performance boost? I mean really? and as for overclocking you obviously have not even bothered to research it because the 280 overclocks great.

You GX2 guys who already plunked down all that you could spend are just pissed off that a better single card solution is on the market and you should have waited just a bit longer before spending your $$$. I have seen this same thing happen time and time again with previous GX2 cards and its always the same.


Give me a single card with a true 1gb of vram and a big bus to go along with it and watch that card sing at high resolutions with high amounts of AA and AF and at the same time watch your GX2 become completely crippled under the same settings.


I'm not pissed off. I'm getting a 280 for 30 bucks :D

pizzaguy
06-18-08, 11:04 AM
I'm not pissed off. I'm getting a 280 for 30 bucks :D

Yeah I know, remember I encouraged you to make that choice. :)

Im just talking about the guys who are in complete and utter denial about the whole thing and just automatically assume that the GTX 280 will not get any better on newer drivers.

Gorion
06-18-08, 11:30 AM
Yeah I know, remember I encouraged you to make that choice. :)

Im just talking about the guys who are in complete and utter denial about the whole thing and just automatically assume that the GTX 280 will not get any better on newer drivers.

I'll be sure to tell my wife it was your fault ;)

pizzaguy
06-18-08, 11:32 AM
I'll be sure to tell my wife it was your fault ;)

Good grief please dont! I have not been very popular with the ladies lately. :o

pizzaguy
06-18-08, 11:39 AM
Man I wish ATI's new cards and the GTX 260 would hurry up because its getting harder and harder to hang onto my trusty 8800GT. LOL.

Blacklash
06-19-08, 01:02 AM
As long as Crossfire is limited by one form of AFR, I won't be investing in it. Show me something like WiC on the DX10 path scaling on it well @ 1920x and up with AA active.

E30325i 2.7
06-19-08, 02:07 AM
As usual the GX2 guys come out of the wood works to defend there purchase when something better comes along.

How can you be so naive to think that better drivers will not give the GTX 280 a performance boost? I mean really? and as for overclocking you obviously have not even bothered to research it because the 280 overclocks great.

You GX2 guys who already plunked down all that you could spend are just pissed off that a better single card solution is on the market and you should have waited just a bit longer before spending your $$$. I have seen this same thing happen time and time again with previous GX2 cards and its always the same.


Give me a single card with a true 1gb of vram and a big bus to go along with it and watch that card sing at high resolutions with high amounts of AA and AF and at the same time watch your GX2 become completely crippled under the same settings.

I think its you that are pissed of that your GTX 280 are slower than 9800GX2 and it don't OC any god look at Bjorn 3d Review of it.
My 9800GX2 runs 730Mhz on the core a
9800GX2 OC VS a 280GTX OC The 9800GX2 will win the tests even more

And i have not used my last $$$ on my 9800GX2 i had ordered a 280 but canceled it when the reviews came out.

pizzaguy
06-19-08, 11:26 AM
I think its you that are pissed of that your GTX 280 are slower than 9800GX2 and it don't OC any god look at Bjorn 3d Review of it.
My 9800GX2 runs 730Mhz on the core a
9800GX2 OC VS a 280GTX OC The 9800GX2 will win the tests even more

And i have not used my last $$$ on my 9800GX2 i had ordered a 280 but canceled it when the reviews came out.

Im not mad, I have the better card so Keep telling yourself that.


This is what happens when your precious GX2 with its crippled bus and ram runs out of steam.

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/577/gtx280/wic-1920-bar.jpg



Expect to see a lot more of this in future titles. Enjoy your GX2 and all of its micro stutters chump. :lol:

Dreamingawake
06-19-08, 11:30 AM
Yeah the 280's are definitely not using their full potential at ALL !!

There's NO way the Gx2 with it's crippled 256-bit bus can keep up to the
512-bit bus and 1Gb of ram of the 280.. (that's literally 2x as much memory as the Gx2) !!


There's just NO way it'll keep up.. anyone who thinks otherwise is just
fooling themselves because they're jealous of all these 280's..:p

pizzaguy
06-19-08, 11:33 AM
Yeah the 280's are definitely not using their full potential at ALL !!

There's NO way the Gx2 with it's crippled 256-bit bus can keep up to the
512-bit bus and 1Gb of ram of the 280.. (that's literally 2x as much memory as the Gx2) !!


There's just NO way it'll keep up.. anyone who thinks otherwise is just
fooling themselves because they're jealous of all these 280's..:p

Exactly, I cannot help though but to get a kick out of some of these GX2 fanbois who are so butt hurt about the whole thing. They should have waited. LOL.