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monkeydust
05-10-03, 05:11 AM
Since it is my understanding that the cards are out to reviewers now, what would like like to have covered in a review of one of these guys?

For me, it would be something that rarely gets covered in reviews. I'd like to see a review of the TV-Out quality of these cards (and video-in if it has that feature). I've got a Gainward VIVO that has decent VIVO and was hoping that the NV35's would have better support for these features (like TV-Out at 1024x768 instead of being limited to a max of 800x600).

Gamewise, I'd like to see benchies of SWG beta (might be hard to swing this with the current NDA), NWN, and Unreal 2.

Dazz
05-10-03, 05:25 AM
My Geforce 4 Ti4400 does 1024x768, any higher and misses [arts of the screen and you have to scroll about.

monkeydust
05-10-03, 05:31 AM
Yeah, I guess it depends on the TV-Out chip used on the cards. It was my understanding that all NV35 cards will have TV-Out as standard and therefore have a standard TV-Out chip on the board (which would do away with TV-Out quality variation between the board vendors).

Nutty
05-10-03, 05:58 AM
I'd like to see all benches and IQ tests done in Quality mode. I dont give a rats ass about Balanced or performance.

If you're buying an nv35, I think you derserve best quality all the time.

monkeydust
05-10-03, 06:27 AM
What I basically want to get out of it is "Why should I choose this card over a Radeon?"

Hanners
05-10-03, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
I'd like to see all benches and IQ tests done in Quality mode. I dont give a rats ass about Balanced or performance.

If you're buying an nv35, I think you derserve best quality all the time.

Exactly - Lots of tests with 4x AA and 8x Quality AF (Assuming that Quality means Application - I get lost with nVidia changing the naming scheme with every driver release :rolleyes: )

Geforce4ti4200
05-10-03, 08:19 AM
3dmark2001 performance, also quake3 at 3200x2400

PreservedSwine
05-10-03, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
3dmark2001 performance, also quake3 at 3200x2400

Oh yeah, moniters that support 3200x2400 are soooooooooo popular:rolleyes:

I just hope we get plenty of high quality screenies of FSAA and AF performance, not just mind numbing 1024 x 768, no AF, no FSAA benches.....

jAkUp
05-10-03, 11:09 AM
3200x2400??? lol i dont think any card can run games at that resolution... i dont see the point in a resolution that high... you wouldnt even be able to read the text!:)

i really want to see iq comparisions... including 3dmark03 iq comparisions... we all know its gonna be fast, so now lets take a look at iq.

The Baron
05-10-03, 12:46 PM
I would like to see my name at the top of the review. ;)

Uttar
05-10-03, 01:34 PM
Let's see this in another way.
I *DON'T* want to see 3DMark 2003 scores on a NV35. I repeat. I do NOT.

Thank you :D

Uttar

Geforce4ti4200
05-10-03, 01:43 PM
3200x2400 is the future of gaming and a fast enough card should do the trick. I dont like fsaa

PreservedSwine
05-10-03, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
3200x2400 is the future of gaming and a fast enough card should do the trick. I dont like fsaa

Oh, in that case, why not 6400x4800?:rolleyes:

Ever like to read the text in games?

Nutty
05-10-03, 02:52 PM
Couldn't they make text resolution independant? After all, majority of the time they're just textured quads.. Theres nothing stopping developers adjusting the scale to compensate for resolution.

digitalwanderer
05-10-03, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by monkeydust
What I basically want to get out of it is "Why should I choose this card over a Radeon?"

I think I'm agreeing with you on this one. nVidia is the contender and needs to prove it's case as the new king on the block.

What I'd REALLY like to see in just ONE review is where the first page isn't some pictures of the video card's box & contents and the second page isn't the generic PR buzzword rapsheet that's written on the side of the box.

THAT'S something I'd really appreciate seeing, and if'n I ever get around to doing a review I plan to do. ;)

PreservedSwine
05-10-03, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Nutty
Couldn't they make text resolution independant? After all, majority of the time they're just textured quads.. Theres nothing stopping developers adjusting the scale to compensate for resolution.

I'm sure it's possible, but before that happens, me thinks monitors that support 2400 x 3200 will have to become affordable:)

StealthHawk
05-10-03, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Uttar
Let's see this in another way.
I *DON'T* want to see 3DMark 2003 scores on a NV35. I repeat. I do NOT.

Thank you :D

Uttar

Why not? The NV35 will win.

False Christian
05-11-03, 04:42 PM
I want to see the NV35 with 8 pixel pipelines and 2, repeat, 2 texture units per pipeline otherwise I ain't buyin'. $500 U.S. for a damn videocard: riiiiigggggghhhhhhtttttt!!!:argue:

Solomon
05-11-03, 06:05 PM
I want to see the card vs the NV30 with the 50.xx drivers. I have an awfull feeling the NV35 will have some strict review requirements. Meaning...... No use of other drivers. Or "don't use the 50.xx on the NV30". I want to see the NV30 pitted against the NV35 using the same driver.

I would like to see a NON BIASED / NON A$$ Kissing review. This will probably never happened though. I agree with CowBoy. It's going to be hard to decipher it.

At least we know all the nVidia biased sites, courtesy of the NV30. So at least we have a good idea of what sites to extremely avoid. *cough* Hexus.net *cough* :D

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com

P.S. Oh monkeydust, want the best TV-out? Matrox still owns in that department.

gokickrocks
05-11-03, 06:25 PM
i want to see the "improved AA and AF" they are touting...in other words, use a FSAA viewer and compare both cards in all modes, and also take screenshots of games...

my guess is that the AA stayed the same in terms of quality, but the speed is what got the boost which lets them tout the "improved AA and AF" banner

Lezmaka
05-11-03, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by CoWBoY
Interesting.... :)

http://www.vidilab.com/hardware/vise.php?id=1115

I don't see why people are comparing the 5900 scores with the 5800 scores. They didn't have a 5800 to test, so they grabbed a score from 3dmarks website.

Moose
05-11-03, 09:13 PM
I want to see max AA and max AF IQ tests, "balanced" and "performance" modes are for cards that can't handle max IQ period.

I really don't care if my card gets 200 fps or 400 fps in low quality modes because I will never lower my IQ to use them. With today's high end cards there is simply no excuse not to run them at max IQ and benching at anything else is just a waste of time.

Lets see how fast the cards can produce their best IQ and then compare the IQ between them.

There are plenty of newer games to test on so let Quake 3 and SS and a few others go already.

Solomon
05-11-03, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Lezmaka
I don't see why people are comparing the 5900 scores with the 5800 scores.

Um... You're kidding right? How in the world are you going to compare the previous generation to the next generation then? By calling 1-80M-ISS-CLEO ?

The NV35 hasn't changed dramatically over the NV30. The biggest inclusion is the 256-bit bus. Remove that and you have what? A more optimized core? It's the same reason why we all compare 9700 Pro's to the 9800 Pro's to find out what really has increased.

What's going to go be revealed is the 50.xx and what it does for the NV30 and not the NV35. This is what I really want to see... Because it will then seem that Nvidia was holding back their NV3X architecture in order for their new NV35 to show big gains in performance over the previous generation.

If I was a NV3X owner, I surely would be pissed off it these 50.xx drivers end up being specifically written for the FX lineup. If that was the case then why in the hell were they not released when the 5200 & 5600 and even the elusive 5800 debuted?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com

OICAspork
05-11-03, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Solomon
If I was a NV3X owner, I surely would be pissed off it these 50.xx drivers end up being specifically written for the FX lineup. If that was the case then why in the hell were they not released when the 5200 & 5600 and even the elusive 5800 debuted?


I'm in complete agreement with you on this, Solomon. I remember how pissed I was, having a GF3, and seeing the GF3 Ti line introduced... introducing "New features for the GF3 TI" I think it was stencil shadows... or shadow buffers or something... that was just missing in drivers. NV's gold standard drivers, that they don't release to their consumers until it is to their marketing PR-advantage. How long were those drivers done, that would have given me that very substantial performance boost... before the GF3 TI line was launched?

stncttr908
05-12-03, 07:09 AM
I'd like to see AA and AF quality comparisons to the FX 5800 Ultra, 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro.