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Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 10:52 AM
I bought a Dell XPS 630 about 3 weeks ago for $1400

It has the nforce 650 chipset, e8400, 4 gb ram, 8800 GT, 750 GB Sata, a really huge tower,

anyway I was doing some research and found out that mobo has a lots of problems, and also found out that the PCI slot really only has 8 lanes even though it was advertised as a PCI-E x16, I have 3 days to return the entire system, becuase I am kind of pisst off at Dell. There are problems with the lights and fans as well. Other then that the system does run great.

I am thinking I probably can build an entire system from scratch for cheaper.

What do you think?


I tried building my last system from scratch a few years back in 2003 and I really hated the case, it was so hard to work in, it was Antec sonata, a case I really want is one with a mobo tray, to make it really easy to install and upgrade, i suck at installing mobos, plus want to make sure I can keep the case cool..


I was looking at Lian-Li cases supposedly most of them have mobo trays I was looking at this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112025

but that case came out in like 2002 think it will still work with the newer video cards? Also it only has 80mm fans


Also what do you recommend for Motherboard? I really do not know what to go with nowadays and power supply? I use to have an Asus for my P4 2.8.

I definitely want go Intel chipset, since i been hearing sli is not the way to go anymore.

Any advice? I am not a huge overclocker, I just want something stable and can play Age of Conan and other up and coming games.

Thanks

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 11:11 AM
$1400 for that :|

holly ****, you can build a lot better system for less, return it quick.

lee63
07-02-08, 11:22 AM
Send it back NOW :thumbdwn: you can get a lot better for $1400.

Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 11:29 AM
Ok setting up the RMA

thanks for the advice


any info on what I should be getting in terms of Case, mobo and PS


those are my 3 not sure what to get?


Is that case that I linked a good case? will it support the newer video cards that are really long ? I know it is a really old case from like 2002? I dont want to spend $300-400 that some lian cases are even though i know LIAN makes superb cases


or is there another one you recommend better? around similar price?

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 11:55 AM
Wow, good call on sending that back so fast. That's at best an $800 computer (with a monitor).

I'd recommend these parts:

9800GTX for $197... get it fast before they raise the price back up to $350.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500037

Gigabyte EP45-DS3L P45 chipset motherboard - $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345

E8400 CPU - $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

WD 640Gb hard drive - $95 (these are the fastest drives on the market right now... don't go with any other size)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218


EDIT: And RAM...

G.SKILL 4Gb (2x2Gb) PC-1066 - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

That is a fantastic system for the money. With a good cooler it'll overclock like crazy (4Ghz+) and the graphics card should be great.

If you want a bit more graphics power, a 4870 might be a good choice for $100 more...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103061

Though for that money, I really wish the card had more than 512Mb of memory.

Still, its hard to believe that the main components for a system THAT fast can be bought for $1000.

Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 12:04 PM
Thanks CaptnKill!

For the quick response! Highly Appreciate it!!

I already have a Samsung 20 inch 206BW which is a superb monitor so should go great with this system

oh what powersupply do you recommend?

lee63
07-02-08, 12:05 PM
There you go, thats a great set up ^^^^^:captnkill::captnkill::captnkill::captnkill:

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 12:06 PM
you missed the PSU, I would recommend something from Seasonic or Silverstone in 750-900W range.

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 12:22 PM
you missed the PSU, I would recommend something from Seasonic or Silverstone in 750-900W range.

I figured it depended on the case he chose. Some good cases come with PSUs.

I agree with your recommendation though.

OCZ is also good. My 700W GameXStream has been rock solid for around 2 years now. Runs very quiet and cool.

EDIT: This looks good for the price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256006

mullet
07-02-08, 12:55 PM
Or this PSU, I love mine.
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 12:58 PM
i really like Silverstone Olympia series, single rail monster, don't have to worry which cables are used for what, since there is only single rail.

never ever buy a PSU with 4 rails,

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 01:00 PM
my PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256024

damn i love this monster ;)

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 01:03 PM
never ever buy a PSU with 4 rails,
Why do you say that?

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 01:10 PM
because then you have to worry about overloading a single rail and having unstable machine.

quite often with new video cards, when someone has issues, people recommend switching cables, because a single rail could be overloaded.

if the PSU has a single high capacity rail this is never a problem.

bacon12
07-02-08, 01:19 PM
That is a great case and you will get many years of use from it. Everyone else is spot on with the components.

Check out these two PSU's

http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-tx-750w-atx-12v-power-supply/q/loc/101/206178325.html

https://shop.pcpower.com/power-supply/silencer-610-eps12v.html

Both should work fine with that case, and you can cut a hole in the mb tray to route wires from behind. The back panel comes out with some thumb screws.

Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 01:26 PM
Ok then I will get that case

LIAN LI PC-61

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112025



It must be a great case if it been around for so long


as for the power supply wow so many to choose from but looks like there is a lot of quality ones there to pick..

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 02:16 PM
because then you have to worry about overloading a single rail and having unstable machine.

quite often with new video cards, when someone has issues, people recommend switching cables, because a single rail could be overloaded.

if the PSU has a single high capacity rail this is never a problem.

I guess I've never had a problem like that. Mine has 4 18amp rails and this has been the most stable machine I've owned in a very long time.

Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 02:19 PM
ok here is what it looks like at newegg

LIAN LI PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112025


SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
$26.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171


Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$94.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218


ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FSP GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
$196.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500037


PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
$154.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
$89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
$107.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037


Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

Total with tax and shipping $1,183.07


had to add Windows Vista almost forgot that

I might change the video card, havent finalized that yet

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 02:20 PM
grab the Samsung SH-S223 series drive, it is better then that LG, plus it can be modded ;)

18x DVD read speed is great, really speeds up game installation*

*part of the mod

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 02:23 PM
ok here is what it looks like at newegg

LG 20X DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH20NS10 - OEM
$24.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$94.99

ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FSP GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
$196.99

PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
$154.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
$89.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
$107.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$189.99

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD
$99.99

Total with tax and shipping $1,051.71


had to add Windows Vista almost forgot that

I might change the video card, havent finalized that yet

Looks like an excellent system. As Nekro said, go with a Samsung DVD drive.

I can't really speak from experience, but for the extra hundred bucks I think the 4870 is probably worth it. It still drives me nuts that it isn't 1Gb though.

Also, if you have any interest in CUDA or hardware physx support, you can't get those with the 4870... but I don't see either of those being too common.

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 02:23 PM
also about the video card, not sure what warranty Zotac got, but you would be better off with EVGA, BFG or XFX. Lifetime warranty is very important, you never know what might happen.

CaptNKILL
07-02-08, 02:27 PM
also about the video card, not sure what warranty Zotac got, but you would be better off with EVGA, BFG or XFX. Lifetime warranty is very important, you never know what might happen.

That's true. In that case, don't bother with the 9800GTX. The rest are all more than $300. Just get a 4870.

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 02:28 PM
how can newegg charge 300 for something only supposed to cost 200?

nekrosoft13
07-02-08, 02:31 PM
not sure where you got 300 from

here is BFG, EVGA is out of stock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143137

Ghosthunter
07-02-08, 02:34 PM
grab the Samsung SH-S223 series drive, it is better then that LG, plus it can be modded ;)

18x DVD read speed is great, really speeds up game installation*

*part of the mod

thanks do you mean this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171