View Full Version : My experience with HD 4870
Heinz68
07-13-08, 02:18 PM
Hello all!!
Im new to the forum, the reason i registered is because im having some trouble with my new HD4870 (from Power Colour *color for the states), after extensive research into a number of nVidia cards and ATI i found this to be amazing value for money and looking at the statistics on 3dguru it looked amazing, when i final got it through the post it didn't disappoint. Although a bit of trouble installing (alll my fault) resulting in a small fire! i got it all working, but no sound.
It seems to have tapped into my on-board sound and i cant get it back neither do i know how to access it from the card, im using Vista 32bit system, which displays my sound icon which has changed to a small HDMI symbol (with a screen), i thought simple enough ill just use a HDMI cable.
I started using a DVI to HDMI cable (no converters), and resulted in no sound, tried re-installing my old sound driver still no dice. and a number of other settings suggested on other forums (but not for my problem). I've also heard that i have to configure my sound, but no alteria options are given when i go to the configure list. The HDmi is working properly and i can see the sound ways. I have orderd another HDMI to DVI convertor so that i can use on my monitor (22" HP x2207) and one on the card itself(the one that came with the card).
Can anyone help with this problem..
(on a side note I'm really happy with its performance, been playing Crysis on complete High settings and still getting 50fps, the Power Colour seems to be running a little colder out of the box that others as well as I'm getting 50'C idle and have never seen it go above 70'C)
Welcome at nV News Forums.
Go to Start,Settings, Control Panel, open the "Sounds and Audio Devices".
Select Audio and than on Drop Down Menu your Default device. Click OK and all is going to be OK.
At least it solved the problem for me.
I also needed to put the Audio Icon back on Taskbar the option is at same place in Volume.
mcbacker
07-13-08, 03:23 PM
Do u have any idea about how my P5B would handle two 4870 in CF?
PCIE lanes on this board are 16 / 4.
MC
Welcome at nV News Forums.
Go to Start,Settings, Control Panel, open the "Sounds and Audio Devices".
Select Audio and than on Drop Down Menu your Default device. Click OK and all is going to be OK.
At least it solved the problem for me.
I also needed to put the Audio Icon back on Taskbar the option is at same place in Volume.
I went to this control panel and my default was not present, this lead me to believe that the original driver was corrupt: so (on Vista)
Control panel> System>Device manager(on the task toolbar)
then stalled my old drivers that had a yellow exclamation mark and h they automatically reinstalled. So YAY fixed, thanks for the help.:D
(i wrote out the instructions becuase this thread is the 1st to come up when you search for the probem on google).
slaWter
07-13-08, 04:29 PM
Do u have any idea about how my P5B would handle two 4870 in CF?
PCIE lanes on this board are 16 / 4.
MC
P45 or X38/X48 is necessary for Crossfire. Otherwise performance is very bad...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/18/gigabyte-ga-ep45-dq6/12
mcbacker
07-13-08, 04:39 PM
P45 or X38/X48 is necessary for Crossfire. Otherwise performance is very bad...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/18/gigabyte-ga-ep45-dq6/12
CRAP! Ty for link.
I'm really happy with GTX280. It's an excellent performer. Yeah we all know HD4870X2 is coming. Two HD4870 chips slapped together. It would pointless to compare single GTX280 vs 2 HD4870. I'm not sure how Crossfire will scale, but i hope reviewers compare SLI GTX280 vs HD4870 X2. As far as price goes...people buy what they can afford it.
You would be very incorrect that people buy what they can afford. I can afford a GTX 280, or even two if I wanted, but refuse to buy the GTX 280 because they're way overpriced for what you get. As long as people like yourself continue to pay any price Nvidia charges, Nvidia will never learn to lower their prices. It took ATI's 4800 series to give Nvidia a clue about pricing. As it stands, I'm going to buy a 4870x2 which offers far better VALUE than the GTX 280. I would expect you to defend the product you purchased since you had your own reasons for purchase, but looking at the big picture objectionably, those people that bought GTX 280's already got screwed once on the first round of price drops and are about to get screwed again when the 4870x2 arrives since the GTX 280 will no longer be top dog. (nana2)
Riptide
07-14-08, 12:44 AM
After going back to stock clocks Crysis is not crashing now. However I get some white dots showing up. Seems like along texture seams. Anyone else seeing this?
fugu_fish
07-14-08, 10:26 AM
I went to this control panel and my default was not present, this lead me to believe that the original driver was corrupt: so (on Vista)
Control panel> System>Device manager(on the task toolbar)
then stalled my old drivers that had a yellow exclamation mark and h they automatically reinstalled. So YAY fixed, thanks for the help.:D
(i wrote out the instructions becuase this thread is the 1st to come up when you search for the probem on google).
Another option, on your next Catalyst install, is to do a "custom" instead of "express" install and untick the audio driver section.
After going back to stock clocks Crysis is not crashing now. However I get some white dots showing up. Seems like along texture seams. Anyone else seeing this?
Only in Vista DX10 mode in Crysis. The driver team has acknowledged it and are working on it as of a week ago. Not sure if it will be resolved in the upcomming 8.7.
In Vista I use DX9 mode for now and set all HIGH at my 1680x1050 res. Looks nice! And in the harbour level I am running around in the mid 30's framerates. Love it.
When they fix it though, I am going back to DX10 mode. You hit DEFAULT in the graphics setup page and it sets it all to a level that looks alot like the tech demos we first saw prior to release. Never thought I could play that level in Crysis on a $289 card but it is in the mid 30's in the mode too!
But I will wait until the white dots are gone first.
C.
hell_of_doom227
07-14-08, 11:32 AM
You would be very incorrect that people buy what they can afford. I can afford a GTX 280, or even two if I wanted, but refuse to buy the GTX 280 because they're way overpriced for what you get. As long as people like yourself continue to pay any price Nvidia charges, Nvidia will never learn to lower their prices. It took ATI's 4800 series to give Nvidia a clue about pricing. As it stands, I'm going to buy a 4870x2 which offers far better VALUE than the GTX 280. I would expect you to defend the product you purchased since you had your own reasons for purchase, but looking at the big picture objectionably, those people that bought GTX 280's already got screwed once on the first round of price drops and are about to get screwed again when the 4870x2 arrives since the GTX 280 will no longer be top dog. (nana2)
My reasons are that GTX280 runs better DX10 apps. Second reason is CCC, and ATI drivers in general which suck. If had bought HD4870 i would not be able to play GRID, Crysis, Lost Planet the way i do with GTX280 for the past month...
Simply GTX280 is top of the line card, and extra money i paid is worth of not having pain with crap i had to deal with ATI in past.
As i said GTX280 vs HD4870X2 is just pointless to compare. I'm sure NVIDIA will drop their price for GTX280 and SLI is coming this way :D
methimpikehoses
07-14-08, 11:34 AM
No white dots for me, but distant objects get particle-ized when the come into view. Looks like a driver issue to me.
Riptide
07-14-08, 11:38 AM
Thanks cvearl glad to see I'm not the only one having that issue. I think I'll keep playing in DX10 mode though since the dots don't bug me much. But I do notice them.
I keep getting crashes on LOTRO when in DX10 mode. DX9 is fine.
There's a few reasons I went with a 4870...
1. I wanted to upgrade my 8800 GTX.
2. The price and performance is good compared to the 260/280.
3. I'd need a new PSU for the 280.
4. I haven't been happy with Nvidia's drivers this year. It was like 4+ months before we got new WHQL drivers and it seems that all the new drivers for the newer cards.
Riptide
07-14-08, 12:13 PM
Same here Yaboze... Pretty much all those reasons. Now dreamscenes in Vista works again for me. No more BSOD from the Nvidia driver. :)
My reasons are that GTX280 runs better DX10 apps. Second reason is CCC, and ATI drivers in general which suck. If had bought HD4870 i would not be able to play GRID, Crysis, Lost Planet the way i do with GTX280 for the past month...
Simply GTX280 is top of the line card, and extra money i paid is worth of not having pain with crap i had to deal with ATI in past.
As i said GTX280 vs HD4870X2 is just pointless to compare. I'm sure NVIDIA will drop their price for GTX280 and SLI is coming this way :D
You are just a troll. Go away already. Your sig doesn't even say anything about a GTX280 and your monitors max res is 1680. It's not like you need the 280 for that res anyways.
CCC is no worse than the new Nvidia Control Panel. Nhancer is 3rd party and is the only advantage there for NV.
ATI drivers are only slightly worse than NV. NV throws out betas like crazy and ATI keeps it to a monthly driver release.
Wouldn't be able to play those games? LOL! GRID is dominated by ATI. Crysis runs like **** on anything. Lost Planet is the only big loss and it's not even that popular of a title. It still runs 30+FPS at your resolution.
The GTX280 also cost 215% of what the 4870 did at launch. There isn't a 215% performance delta there to justify it.
Yaboze, here is your new avatar dude. :D
PeterJensen
07-14-08, 01:29 PM
:D
My reasons are that GTX280 runs better DX10 apps. Second reason is CCC, and ATI drivers in general which suck. If had bought HD4870 i would not be able to play GRID, Crysis, Lost Planet the way i do with GTX280 for the past month...
Simply GTX280 is top of the line card, and extra money i paid is worth of not having pain with crap i had to deal with ATI in past.
As i said GTX280 vs HD4870X2 is just pointless to compare. I'm sure NVIDIA will drop their price for GTX280 and SLI is coming this way :D
You are soooo full of $@#$. LOL
On a stock clocked 4870 and a middle of the road stock clocked C2D Processor...
Crysis? All HIGH 1680x1050 35 - 45 fps at all times and I am not overclocking. In DX10 mode Crysis Default settings 1680x1050 (VH and HIGH settings), it's allways with 5fps of that as well.
GRID? ATI easily keeps up to the GTX280 in that game. In some resses is faster from what I have read. Guess I need to get it to see :)
This guy seems to be enjoying Lost Planet...
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=64449
1920x1200 4xAA getting 52.63 fps at all HIGH SETTINGS. and in DX9 mode?
DX10 LOST PLANET 1920X1200 EVERYSETTING SAME AS DX 9 TEST IT SCORED SNOW 46.6 FPS CAVE 65.6 FPS.
Now I don't know if I believe him on those. Most places I read people get in the 30's ALL HIGH with 4xAA 16xAF DX10 mode 1680x1050. Which is about the same as the 9800GTX. Still. For an engine co-written by nVidia, that's not too bad. nVidia graphics engineers helped the dev port it from console and were the official launch partners. That game is the WORST possible scenario for ATI and to have it maxed out and doing 30fps? Not bad for absolute worst case scenario.
You continue to try to down play that the 4870 is the second fastest single GPU card on the planet for almost half the price of the fastest while being within 10% - 20% of the performance.
Everything you say actually hurts nVidia. They would be better off if you would shut up now.
C.
Riptide
07-14-08, 01:58 PM
Crysis question. My friend claims that unless you have post processing set to VH you will not see some of the effects you get when the sun shines through the trees on this game. Just how much worse does it look with post processing set to H vs VH?
What about shader quality set to H vs VH?
:D
Denmark folks are so crazy. :p
Yaboze, here is your new avatar dude. :D
Yeah!!
My reasons are that GTX280 runs better DX10 apps. Second reason is CCC, and ATI drivers in general which suck. If had bought HD4870 i would not be able to play GRID, Crysis, Lost Planet the way i do with GTX280 for the past month...
Simply GTX280 is top of the line card, and extra money i paid is worth of not having pain with crap i had to deal with ATI in past.
As i said GTX280 vs HD4870X2 is just pointless to compare. I'm sure NVIDIA will drop their price for GTX280 and SLI is coming this way :D
As I said before, you have your reasons for buying an overpriced card that's only about 10% faster than a Radeon 4870 across multiple games, I won't argue with your logic for doing so because it's your money, not mine. I'll just state that I don't just throw money away which is the reason why I can afford most anything I want. Value is more important to me than top of the line, damn the cost, purchases.
Crysis question. My friend claims that unless you have post processing set to VH you will not see some of the effects you get when the sun shines through the trees on this game. Just how much worse does it look with post processing set to H vs VH?
What about shader quality set to H vs VH?
http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis_6.html
Read from there on...
:D
In DX10 mode in Vista, hitting the DEFAULT button mixes settings high and VH and it looks like the tech demo we all watched back when it was not released yet. On the 4870 it runs in about 30fps in that mode.
C.
There's a few reasons I went with a 4870...
1. I wanted to upgrade my 8800 GTX.
2. The price and performance is good compared to the 260/280.
3. I'd need a new PSU for the 280.
4. I haven't been happy with Nvidia's drivers this year. It was like 4+ months before we got new WHQL drivers and it seems that all the new drivers for the newer cards.
Same.
I am getting mine because i am 7950GX2.
The price is fantastic for the performance. Its a real winner in the value for your money.
Same..i don't want to go buy another PSU just for this...
Drivers for me were ok..i would say many thanks to nhancer...
I would also like to add to the list that i am on a x38.
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