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Vanzagar
07-11-08, 02:59 PM
The new GTX 2xx series is not selling as well or for as much as anyone predicted. The reviews and subsequent price drops tell the tale: NVIDIA's most expensive GPU yet simply doesn't perform well enough compared to AMD's latest parts to justify the price NVIDIA was targeting. What will be AMD's boon is NVIDIA's loss, a great deal of GPU profit.

In the long term NVIDIA is still in a better position than AMD since they're not continually losing money hand over fist, but it doesn't mean that these problems won't have ramifications in the future. NVIDIA wouldn't be the first company to shift around its product lines or slow down their R&D efforts in order to make a quarter or two look better, although for obvious reasons we hope it does not come to that. This much bad news at once is certainly unprecedented for NVIDIA.

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=469

Ouch, I hope they have a gtx280 successor just around the corner... or hopefully they can get the manufacturing cost down...

rh

CaptNKILL
07-11-08, 03:05 PM
It really sucks that they are having issues elsewhere with the laptop GPUs and the RAMBUS lawsuits that the inquirer wrote about recently.

This would be a perfect chance to even out the playing field and bring GPU costs way down, but losing funds in other ways won't make it any easier for them to release more competitive products.

hell_of_doom227
07-11-08, 03:07 PM
I just don't see what's the problem. GTX280 smokes HD4870. I had HD4870 for one day at friends house. I just said remove this garbage...After playing with GTX280, HD4870 just felt terrible. I think a lot of crack heads are out there seeing HD4870 as really good card...in fact blinded and happy about $300 they spent only.

CaptNKILL
07-11-08, 03:15 PM
I just don't see what's the problem. GTX280 smokes HD4870. I had HD4870 for one day at friends house. I just said remove this garbage...After playing with GTX280, HD4870 just felt terrible. I think a lot of crack heads are out there seeing HD4870 as really good card...in fact blinded and happy about $300 they spent only.

Ok, I know I'm not the only person that's getting tired of this flame bait crap.

Yes, we know you like your GTX 280. I'm sure its a fantastic card but is it necessary to take jabs at 4870 owners in every single thread you participate in? I've warned you (and others) multiple times for stuff like this.

Tr1cK
07-11-08, 03:16 PM
I just don't see what's the problem. GTX280 smokes HD4870. I had HD4870 for one day at friends house. I just said remove this garbage...After playing with GTX280, HD4870 just felt terrible. I think a lot of crack heads are out there seeing HD4870 as really good card...in fact blinded and happy about $300 they spent only.

Spoken like a true fanboy.

ATI is winning the price/performance war hands down. The days of $650 video cards needs to end for PC gaming to continue to prosper. ATI has put a lot of power in many peoples hands for cheap.

I can't speak for your experience with your "friend", but as an actual 4800 series owner, I couldn't be happier having a $180 card that performs better than yesterdays $600 card. It puts my old 8800 to shame in every test I have thrown at it. The true drivers for them have yet to surface as well. I keep GPUZ sensors running on my secondary display while gaming and have seen many cases of unoptimized GPU usage not putting it to 100%. When I see it at 100%, the game is typically flying because those 800SPs are doing their job.

CaptNKILL
07-11-08, 03:18 PM
Ugh... I see where this is going...

:rolleyes:

Vanzagar
07-11-08, 03:20 PM
I just don't see what's the problem. GTX280 smokes HD4870. I had HD4870 for one day at friends house. I just said remove this garbage...After playing with GTX280, HD4870 just felt terrible. I think a lot of crack heads are out there seeing HD4870 as really good card...in fact blinded and happy about $300 they spent only.

hell_of_doom227, don't you think that maybe your friend is an idiot and his system is setup poorly or maybe full or spam or has another bottleneck... you've posted this crap more than once and had a ton of people tell you you're full of bs - christ even look at all the reviews out there... get over it already or go try another 4870, just cause you had a bad experience with one doesn't mean they are like that...

rh

Vanzagar
07-11-08, 03:28 PM
There's an old business adage "Buy When There’s Blood in the Streets", I think nVidia is a good company and they will turn things around and the lawsuits will pass, once they release a good performance/cost ratio card I think I'll pick up some of their stock...

rh

hell_of_doom227
07-11-08, 03:45 PM
Spoken like a true fanboy.

ATI is winning the price/performance war hands down. The days of $650 video cards needs to end for PC gaming to continue to prosper. ATI has put a lot of power in many peoples hands for cheap.

I can't speak for your experience with your "friend", but as an actual 4800 series owner, I couldn't be happier having a $180 card that performs better than yesterdays $600 card. It puts my old 8800 to shame in every test I have thrown at it. The true drivers for them have yet to surface as well. I keep GPUZ sensors running on my secondary display while gaming and have seen many cases of unoptimized GPU usage not putting it to 100%. When I see it at 100%, the game is typically flying because those 800SPs are doing their job.

How can you compare 4800 series with almost two old years 8800?. It speaks of garbage ATI makes for the last three years. I don't care about Nvidia and ATI, i just get what's better.
GTX260 for $329 is better deal then HD4870. GTX280 has no competition right now. Just don't tell me HD4870 is faster then GTX260 in what? COD4 :) give me a break.

hell_of_doom227
07-11-08, 03:46 PM
hell_of_doom227, don't you think that maybe your friend is an idiot and his system is setup poorly or maybe full or spam or has another bottleneck... you've posted this crap more than once and had a ton of people tell you you're full of bs - christ even look at all the reviews out there... get over it already or go try another 4870, just cause you had a bad experience with one doesn't mean they are like that...

rh

I just don't care about benchmarks and reviews out there. When you start a game that's real deal and the you actually see difference between two cards.

hell_of_doom227
07-11-08, 03:51 PM
Ugh... I see where this is going...

:rolleyes:

I will stop...sorry if i'm flaming too much. I will stop it.

CaptNKILL
07-11-08, 03:57 PM
I will stop...sorry if i'm flaming too much. I will stop it.

I'm going to hold you to that.

Medion
07-11-08, 04:11 PM
GTX260 for $329 is better deal then HD4870.

V3y3QoFnqZc

The GTX260 at $300 and the HD4870 at $300, the 4870 is the better deal. DX10.1 compliant, makes it more future proof. They're about equal in overall speed, with the 4870 edging the GTX260 in higher AA performance.

J-Mag
07-11-08, 04:33 PM
the RAMBUS lawsuits that the inquirer wrote about recently.


I am pretty sure that the entire business plan of RAMBUS revolves around copyright litigation...

Tr1cK
07-11-08, 04:34 PM
How can you compare 4800 series with almost two old years 8800?. It speaks of garbage ATI makes for the last three years. I don't care about Nvidia and ATI, i just get what's better.
GTX260 for $329 is better deal then HD4870. GTX280 has no competition right now. Just don't tell me HD4870 is faster then GTX260 in what? COD4 :) give me a break.

The 9800s offered next to nothing over the 8800s. That's how they compare.

Nobody is doubting the 280 being the top dog right now, but you are the only one here constantly bashing the 4800s for no reason.

Vanzagar
07-11-08, 06:11 PM
V3y3QoFnqZc

The GTX260 at $300 and the HD4870 at $300, the 4870 is the better deal. DX10.1 compliant, makes it more future proof. They're about equal in overall speed, with the 4870 edging the GTX260 in higher AA performance.

lol, that clip's awesome...

nekrosoft13
07-11-08, 06:42 PM
V3y3QoFnqZc

The GTX260 at $300 and the HD4870 at $300, the 4870 is the better deal. DX10.1 compliant, makes it more future proof. They're about equal in overall speed, with the 4870 edging the GTX260 in higher AA performance.
dx10.1 plays no role in this, by the time dx10.1 games will be out, dx11 will be released

seastar
07-11-08, 06:53 PM
Don't know if these have been posted here or not, but here read them if you guys haven't this
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15096 and http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/outlooknotsogoodfornvidia.shtml

AthlonXP1800
07-11-08, 07:10 PM
That Anandtech weblog is a day older as here was a news on Friday that AMD will have a huge setback in Q2 with $880m write off the value of ATI acquistion in Q2 2008 due to HD 4800 series not selling well as AMD expected because of summer's slow demand. After the value writedown, ATI is worth $3.02bn and AMD was worth $2.7bn when it hit 16 years low $4.60 on Friday since July 1992.

It seemed AMD are suffer more pains than Nvidia does.

Madpistol
07-11-08, 07:33 PM
Nvidia will survive these setbacks. They're large enough that they can dig themselves out of this hole. AMD, on the other hand, is not so lucky. Because the economy isn't doing so well, everything is going to hell for them. Even though they made a fabulous product and priced it well below Nvidia's offerings, it doesn't help that the economy sucks right now. If they continue like this though, they will eventually be profitable again.

Nice Scrubs clip btw. :thumbsup:

Medion
07-11-08, 08:50 PM
dx10.1 plays no role in this, by the time dx10.1 games will be out, dx11 will be released

Firstly, DX10.1 games are supposedly going to start trickling out in Q1 2009. DX11 is supposedly a Q4 2009 launch. If there was a delay for DX10.1 games to release, it's safe to assume there will be a delay for DX11 games as well. You're likely looking at a year of DX10.1 support before DX11 starts to catch on.

Also, when DX10.1 games come out in the next 6-9 months, GTX260 owners will still have a DX10.0 part. Not everyone upgrades every 6 months. With that said, if the GTX260 and HD4870 are the same price, my recommendation is still the HD4870 on the basis of comparable performance that scales better with higher AA levels, and DX10.1 support. I see no reason to recommend a GTX260 over a HD4870 at the same price range, at this time.

Madpistol
07-11-08, 09:54 PM
I bought my 8800 GTX for $550. However, it was leaps and bounds ahead of my old 6800 GT, so I considered it worth the money. The GTX 280 is not quite as badass as the 8800 GTX was when it came out, and considering the 4870 as a fairly close contender, it's hard to justify a $600 card, when you can get about 80-90% of the thrills for half that.

Mr Bigman
07-11-08, 10:20 PM
Who started this whole 600 dollar debockel?

I think it was Nvidia with greed.

Look back at the FX 9800 Pro Days. Both good cards but 9800 was better in pricing and beat out FX in a few games not all.

With prices as dirt cheap as they are for PC hardware, its good if they get cheaper for us.

One thing you don't see these days is white box gpu's like years back.

Also 8 years ago we had strange names in the business that were selling dirt cheap hardware like PC Chips and Soyo and even Idema which kep prices down cuz people were confused about what to buy kinda like that whole cheap game fiasco back in 1983 that killed games from Atari. Remember?

We don't have dirt cheap companies selling stuff with same chipsets and features for half the cost.

Like back in 2000, i saw a Geforce DDR from Hurculies Prophet for 249 at Babbeges and TIger had that bobs house brand Geforce DDR for 150 in the white box remember.

I don't mind paying for a 280 from Bobs house brand white box for half the cost as the nice shiny box one.

ahheadlock
07-21-08, 12:46 AM
Firstly, DX10.1 games are supposedly going to start trickling out in Q1 2009. DX11 is supposedly a Q4 2009 launch. If there was a delay for DX10.1 games to release, it's safe to assume there will be a delay for DX11 games as well. You're likely looking at a year of DX10.1 support before DX11 starts to catch on.

Also, when DX10.1 games come out in the next 6-9 months, GTX260 owners will still have a DX10.0 part. Not everyone upgrades every 6 months. With that said, if the GTX260 and HD4870 are the same price, my recommendation is still the HD4870 on the basis of comparable performance that scales better with higher AA levels, and DX10.1 support. I see no reason to recommend a GTX260 over a HD4870 at the same price range, at this time.

what's the difference between dx10 and 10.1 again? (legit question)

Heinz68
07-21-08, 01:36 AM
what's the difference between dx10 and 10.1 again? (legit question)
For the differences use Google.
Main difference is, 10.1 is something NVIDIA hates too see unless implemented on Nvidia cards and they are not in hurry with that.
It doesn't mean anything that, Nvidia recently signed on to the PC Gaming Alliance, whose charter involves pushing common standards like DX10.1 and increasing "the number of PCs that can run games really well."
For more read source (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14707) or Google more.