Gates should go jump

[Kruno]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/12/1052591710533.html

Real funny eh? :rolleyes:

[Phyre]

"This won't happen without Intel and AMD deciding both on the processor chip and the system design they'll build these things in," Gates said. "And there's even some work that needs to go in the video display and keyboard."


Video display and keyboards? The whole idea is too overboard, but video and keyboard. That a load of crock if I've ever heard it. And, I don't trust that "opt out" bull either.

Phyre

[vampireuk]

I screwed up and posted this in the anime thread

The next windows is going to be the downfall of M$ if they really do try to implement this. Like hell I'm gonna use that.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

heck yeah, this is total BS. If MS, Intel, AMD and all these other corporations try to implement this it will shake the whole industry and we'll probably see the downfall of alot of these types that go along with this digital rights management crap. But then again who knows, the vast majority of people who own computers don't have any idea of what going on and could care less, just being taken advantage of.

[zsynth]

You can't opt out now with XP. I just tried Xp, shut off all error reporting, media drm and identifiers. Then tried using it with Zonealarm. Gave it the exact same security settings as in 98se, N.G. can't get online. You must give IE and Generic host processes full ACCESS and SERVER rights. If you deny it SERVER rights, you are S-O-O-L. Every nit picking thing I did was trying to call home to momma. I am now happily back to my 98se.

[PsychoSy]

Pardon me while I knock Gates off the soapbox I built...

Any company that implements Palladium or other simular technology - be it in software or hardware, regardless of any "opt in/opt out" options - simply will not recieve one red cent from my wallet. Apparently, over the past 20 years, biiiiiiiiiiiiig bid'ness has forgotten just who the boss is around here in Club America...

It's not The President. It's not The Republicans and Democrats on the hill. It's not the judges they pay off. The boss is The Man With The Wallet!! That's you and I for all the folks playing the game at home!

Try "opting out" of those Apples, Billy Boy!!! :mad:

Furthermore, here's a message to all these pro-Palladium, DMCA-chuffin' business cretins - I hope you, your children, and your childrens' children STARVE!! I hope they DIE naked, lonely, and forgotten in a soiled salmonella farm in Guetamala choking on their own sushi and escargots...or on a toy from a McDonald's Happy Meal - fine by me. As long as they die, I'm a happy freakin' camper!

And then...Hey...hey...HAY!!!
Don't bail out on me NOW, dammit - I'm getting to the best part!! :D

And then, for their funerals, we'll give them a proper burial, alright - caskets made from V-CHIPS. Damn betcha! What a great send-off, folks! And why not? We might as well bury their "legacy devices" along with their dead legacies!!!

Who's got the shovel? :confused:

[StealthHawk]

Yeah, Bill Gates and MS are horrible. Only Windows would ever implement DRM.....or would they?

Looks like Linux is up for some DRM loving: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105115686114064&w=2

Hmm, and Apple is onboard too: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30458.html

[Kruno]

Not every Linux distro will have DRM in it's OS.

Most distros know what users don't want.

[marqmajere]

HORSE****!! Mac's aren't looking to bad as of right now...... :D


Of course noone said you had to get it. Stick with 98 or XP or whatever you are currently running if it makes you unhappy.

[LiquidX]

Man am I the only one who loves almost everything from MS? You can opt out! Besides there so many way of preventing your info from getting out, what they say doesnt even matter. But crap I find most MS products to be good and reliable. Until a company gets the brains and balls and finally starts doing better than MS, I say leave em be.


Yeah It crashes(rarely for me)...but it never burns(atleast for me).:)

[DaveW]

Originally posted by LiquidX
Man am I the only one who loves almost everything from MS? You can opt out! Besides there so many way of preventing your info from getting out, what they say doesnt even matter. But crap I find most MS products to be good and reliable. Until a company gets the brains and balls and finally starts doing better than MS, I say leave em be.


A company that "gets the brains and balls and finally starts doing better than MS" gets bought out by MS before they can seriously compete with them. Either that or MS uses other dirty tactics to maintain their market share e.g. "We won't sell you any more Windows licenses if you continue to install Netscape on your machines".

I admit that I like Microsoft software myself. I just don't like their business practices. The problem is that when you buy their software, you support their business practices.

[Switch]

Originally posted by LiquidX
You can opt out! Besides there so many way of preventing your info from getting out, what they say doesnt even matter.


yea sure you can opt out but did you read what could happen if you do?

Users can opt to "turn off" the system when it becomes available, most likely in the next generation of Windows expected in 2004 or 2005. But doing so might well severely hamper consumers' access to digital information that's important to them - and which may indeed be necessary in their work environment.


So you turn it off and your comp becomes a neuter... that's really great.

[PsychoSy]

Users can opt to "turn off" the system when it becomes available, most likely in the next generation of Windows expected in 2004 or 2005. But doing so might well severely hamper consumers' access to digital information that's important to them - and which may indeed be necessary in their work environment.

Do you guys have any idea what this REALLY means?

It's crystal freakin' clear!!

This little tidbit does two things for MS...

1 - It enables them to pass the buck of blame in regards to security issues, especially the recent "password reset" fiasco in their .NET framework. If something of that magnatude happens again, Microsoft's excuse will change from "oooops!" to "Hey, it's your fault for opting out!!!"

2 - Remember the Freedom Of Information Act? Good, because, under Longhorn, that's all it'll be - a memory. Parts of that act cover our rights to access even digital information. Our public and school library systems are slowly migrating to digital technologies and database. Their public computer terminals - like 90% of all the homes in America - use Microsoft operating systems and I wouldn't be surprized if our libraries have contracts with Microsoft just like public school systems have contracts with soda companies. You getting the picture yet?

Knowing how beverage companies have sued public school systems for "breach of contract", and knowing how MS often strongarms businesses and their own competition, we can certainly expect them to strongarm libraries who threaten to drop MS and migrate to a Unix variant. That arm becomes much stiffer if the system administrators at these libraries decide to "opt out" of Palladium technology, thus hampering or denying public Internet terminals (and library patrons) to access digital information, making the paper the Freedom Of Information Act was printed on to be about as worthless as the rapidly declining worth of our own Constitution.

Why don't they just hire the 3rd Anti-Christ and be done with it?!?

[DaveW]

Look on the bright side. Atleast its Microsoft controlling all this tech instead of somebody thats actually competant! Given the reason .NET Passport brain fart, I doubt Microsoft's implementation of any of this tech is going to be solid. It will all be cracked before the OS is even out of beta. Cracking groups are your friend. :)

[marqmajere]

If you don't download anything illegal then you shouldn't have to worry. All it is is regulated media. The same thing we have been fed our entire lives. When you buy a cd or a movie did you think you were actually buying the information on that disk/vhs tape/whatever? Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not. All you did was buy the rights to watch/ listen to it. The data doesn't belong to you and it never will.

This isn't really a bad thing. Ok. Let's say MS goes through with this and we can't trade mp3's or whatever anymore. We'll just hide it. This isn't a set back. It's just something else to work around. I have no doubts that within the first month, hackers and crackers will have a "fix" to this problem and then it'll be as if nothing happened.

[DaveW]

The other thing to consider is that the API to use this technology in any software you write will have to be purchased from Microsoft (who give it to their developers for free). So basically, if a software company doesn't want its stuff pirated, they have to pay Microsoft some cash. By adjusting the pricing of this software, Microsoft can mess around with the market.

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by marqmajere
[B]When you buy a cd or a movie did you think you were actually buying the information on that disk/vhs tape/whatever? Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not. All you did was buy the rights to watch/ listen to it.

That's what they say...

I and my wallet says different. I've purposefully ignored every EULA and ever "license" they've planted into my purchases and I always will. EVERY SINGLE ONE! I've been doing and presenting my two cents on this "you've only bought the rights" argument for years here and at my webpage openly daring any of them that if they want to argue the semantics, they can come and take my white ass away.

So far, no takers.

Why?

They don't want another Rosa Parks on their hands...

And that's exactly what they'll get!!

No, they'd rather leave me alone and go after an easier target.
Somebody who wouldn't fight back.
Somebody that might crack under the slightest bit of pressure.
Someone they can intimidate.

I'm not that kind of person... and they know it.