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Lezmaka
05-13-03, 12:10 AM
Based on what Anand said, the 5600 Ultra may have had it's clockspeed upped for the retail version.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1821&p=19

The shipping version of the GeForceFX 5600 Ultra will use a flip chip package on the GPU (much like the NV30/35) and thus NVIDIA was able to hit higher clock speeds with this card ...

If they did raise the clockspeeds, I wonder how much? 375mhz, 400? Flipchip should help overclocking too

Uttar
05-13-03, 12:15 AM
No idea. Pretty sure the launch clock speeds were way below nVidia expectations: their original target for the Ultra was 450Mhz!
Ouch indeed!

Uttar

GlowStick
05-13-03, 12:47 AM
Yes, Anand hits at the new revision, its VERY competative with the 9600 in doom3.

bkswaney
05-13-03, 12:58 AM
I'm glad to see Nvidia fixing it even tho they had to rework it.
I'm sure they want there cards on par or better than ATI offerings. :)

Lezmaka
05-13-03, 01:25 AM
I doubt they changed anything, just tweaks for higher clockspeeds.

mikechai
05-13-03, 01:37 AM
There is a site stated that the new NV31 ultra is going to run at 400MHz core.

StealthHawk
05-13-03, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by mikechai
There is a site stated that the new NV31 ultra is going to run at 400MHz core.

Which site is that? What about memory clock?

Let's approach this logically.

Looking at Anand's Doom3 benchmarks (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1821&p=22) we have this results:

Old NV31: 49, 32, 23, 26, 16, 10
New NV31: 55, 36, 26, 29, 18, 12

So the new NV31 is this much faster in the respective tests: 12%, 13%, 13%, 12%, 13%, 20%

It seems pretty obvious that the new gfFX5600Ultra is clocked at least 10% higher than the old gfFX5600Ultra.

Old core on the Ultra is 350/350. So the new core will be at least 375/350+. Having 400/3xx seems more likely to me.

schuey74
05-13-03, 04:04 PM
More like it cleans the floor with it! Take a look at the HarcOCP comparison. The 5600 Ultra beats the 9600 by a little sometimes and by a lot other times.

Now whether you think this benchmark is indicative of which card is better, that's up to you, but we should see some full reviews of it w/ the new dets soon.

GlowStick
05-13-03, 04:14 PM
Yes, it dose seem that the retail cards of 9600pro and 5600 should be evaluated first.

I dont think its much of a problem since i do not see the 5600's or 9600's readily avalibe from eather sides.

gordon151
05-13-03, 04:37 PM
I think you can buy ATI's 9600 Pro product at most online stores with probably other partners having theirs available at differing stores as well. The 5600 Ultra is also available at a few stores from people like Gainward and Leadtek. You can also find reviews at pretty much every major computer hardware site. GamePC has a review of Gainwards 5600 Ultra card for instance.

BigFish7
05-13-03, 05:27 PM
it's seems that the final version of the new ultra and non ultra fx cards is this:
according to http://www.vr-zone.com
http://www.vr-zone.com/Home/news194/fx5600.png
:D

StealthHawk
05-13-03, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by schuey74
More like it cleans the floor with it! Take a look at the HarcOCP comparison. The 5600 Ultra beats the 9600 by a little sometimes and by a lot other times.

Now whether you think this benchmark is indicative of which card is better, that's up to you, but we should see some full reviews of it w/ the new dets soon.

Comparing the gfFX5600Ultra to the r9600Pro is kinda stupid considering that the r9500Pro is the better card. Unless ATI has ceased to produce r9500Pros? But just a little while ago there were still vendors announcing new r9500Pro cards :p

bkswaney
05-13-03, 05:30 PM
yep... they needed to boost it for the 9600 it seems. :)

BigFish7
05-13-03, 05:31 PM
i can't wait to see it in action withe the upcoming Det50 :rolleyes:

StealthHawk
05-13-03, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by BigFish7
it's seems that the final version of the new ultra and non ultra fx cards is this:
according to
:D

Hmm. So I was right about the core clock and wrong about the mem :cool:

Go synchronous clocks, go!

With the exception of price, the gfFX5600Ultra seems like a solid product.

CaptNKILL
05-13-03, 05:50 PM
This doesnt have much to do with this thread, but I read this in that article:

"Quite possibly the most exciting part of today's launch is the release of NVIDIA's Detonator FX drivers that have finally solved the anisotropic filtering issues we were shocked to have with NVIDIA's hardware in the past. Later this week we will bring you a comparative review detailing the performance of all of the anisotropic filtering modes as well as a better idea of exactly how much performance the new Detonator FX drivers will bring you."

Waaaa??? :confused:

They havent been released yet!!!!

BigFish7
05-13-03, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by CaptNKILL
This doesnt have much to do with this thread, but I read this in that article:

"Quite possibly the most exciting part of today's launch is the release of NVIDIA's Detonator FX drivers that have finally solved the anisotropic filtering issues we were shocked to have with NVIDIA's hardware in the past. Later this week we will bring you a comparative review detailing the performance of all of the anisotropic filtering modes as well as a better idea of exactly how much performance the new Detonator FX drivers will bring you."

Waaaa??? :confused:

They havent been released yet!!!!


they are talking about the beta drivers (it still has something from the Det50 althogh i suspect that the final version would be up to 20%-10% better then those, more or less...;) )

schuey74
05-13-03, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
Comparing the gfFX5600Ultra to the r9600Pro is kinda stupid considering that the r9500Pro is the better card. Unless ATI has ceased to produce r9500Pros? But just a little while ago there were still vendors announcing new r9500Pro cards :p

Think beforeyou call people stupid. Because yes, the 9500pros are no longer produced, whatever is out there now is all that is left. And at stock speeds the 5600U did beat the 9500pro across the board. But the 9500pro WAS a great overclocker! Like I've said, it will be fair to compare the 9600 & the 5600 w/ their latest drivers in a couple of weeks to make a fair judgement, but I'd give the edge to Nvidia from what we've seen.

BigFish7
05-13-03, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
Hmm. So I was right about the core clock and wrong about the mem :cool:

Go synchronous clocks, go!

With the exception of price, the gfFX5600Ultra seems like a solid product.

the last thing we need to see from nVidia is low prices for all the FX lineup... if that happens kudos to nVidia nothing more to add .

StealthHawk
05-13-03, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by schuey74
Think beforeyou call people stupid.

I did't call you stupid. I said the comparison was stupid.

ChrisRay
05-13-03, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
Comparing the gfFX5600Ultra to the r9600Pro is kinda stupid considering that the r9500Pro is the better card. Unless ATI has ceased to produce r9500Pros? But just a little while ago there were still vendors announcing new r9500Pro cards :p


Actually they are no longer being produced.. Which is why I ran out and got my radeon 9500 Pro before they became available to public...

mikechai
05-13-03, 10:01 PM
The new FX 5600 ultra is going to be a great mainstream card for Doom ]|[ :)

flick556
05-14-03, 06:40 AM
Is it me or does the new 5600 ultra require less voltage than the 5600 and have higher clock speeds.

This sounds like the card for me

BigFish7
05-14-03, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by flick556
Is it me or does the new 5600 ultra require less voltage than the 5600 and have higher clock speeds.

This sounds like the card for me

yes, it's FCPGA.

1stFlight
05-14-03, 10:32 AM
I have to disagree, it's a good thing to get a feel for how each product will perfrom before it comes out, else manufacturers and vendors may not have as much incintive to go back to the drawing board and actually produce something competitive for your money.

Flashback to last month when I posted that the delay on the 5600 may have been caused by nVidia needing to retool the card to make at least a worthwhile purchase. I guarantee I wasn't alone in that sentiment. There lies the value in testing pre-production cards. Now we have a 5600 worth buying...and at least it out performs a 4200 :P

Originally posted by GlowStick
Yes, it dose seem that the retail cards of 9600pro and 5600 should be evaluated first.

I dont think its much of a problem since i do not see the 5600's or 9600's readily avalibe from eather sides.