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Moo
08-01-08, 04:51 PM
Speaking at QuakeCon 2008 in Dallas this week, id Software co-founder Carmack praised Apple's iPhone as an emerging force in mobile gaming industry and revealed his firm to be working on two titles for the handset.

Unlike most mobile platforms where gaming is largely brand-driven due to smaller screens, storage constrains and limited marketing flexibility, the iPhone offers a rare opportunity for game publishers to deliver graphics rich titles supported by detailed textual descriptions on the App Store, he said during a press conference.

The gaming icon admitted that he's disappointed id has yet to ship a game for the iPhone, but said two tentative titles are now well in the works. One was described as a 'conventional mobile game,' while the second was said to be more ambitious in that it will test the limits of the iPhone's graphics capabilities.

While Carmack sees graphics memory as a potential limiting factor on the iPhone, he's stoked about the intuitiveness of the iPhone SDK. He also described the handset's hardware as equivalent to that of the Sega Dreamcast living room console, and almost on par with Sony's PlayStation 2 and Microsoft's original Xbox.

When it comes to portable gaming systems, the iPhone is 'more powerful than a Nintendo DS and PSP combined,' he added. Apple's revenue sharing deal that offers developers 70 percent of the sale price was also cited as a plus.

That said, Carmack doesn't believe the iPhone is the definitive answer to mobile gaming. While sales of the device will be significant and may lead to more people playing games on their phones than ever before, he doesn't foresee billions of the devices being sold in a bid for world domination.

The verdict is also out on whether Apple has a concrete grasp of gaming, the id co-founder said. The company's reception to criticism has also been counterintuitive, which has led its relationship with id being something akin to a roller-coaster ride.

Apple essentially kisses his ass when they need him to show up for one of Steve Jobs' keynotes, but then throws him the cold shoulder the second he passes judgement, Carmack said.

That said, he acknowledge that there are indeed some folks over in Cupertino who "are trying" to right the course for Mac and iPhone gaming.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/01/carmack_iphone_more_powerful_than_nintendo_ds_psp_ combined.html

OldOfEvil
08-01-08, 06:22 PM
He also described the handset's hardware as equivalent to that of the Sega Dreamcast living room console, and almost on par with Sony's PlayStation 2 and Microsoft's original Xbox.

Damn.. very impressive.

npras42
08-01-08, 07:28 PM
This doesn't really surprise anyone does it? The iphone probably costs Apple upwards of $400 per device. A PSP doesn't even cost half of that and is almost 4 years old!

I'm sure the iphone can play games fine but does anyone else get the feeling that Carmack is just following whatever tech is gonna fill his backpocket with $$$ the quickest.

Gabrobot
08-01-08, 10:51 PM
I'm sure the iphone can play games fine but does anyone else get the feeling that Carmack is just following whatever tech is gonna fill his backpocket with $$$ the quickest.

The Wii? :rolleyes:

I think it's obvious he's interested in (graphically) interesting hardware. If Carmack was interested in quick money, he wouldn't have sunk millions into an aerospace company that still shows no sign of turning a profit, or for that matter letting id Software work on a game for 18 months and then have it cancelled.

Zelda_fan
08-01-08, 10:57 PM
npras is a hater. pay him no mind.

msxyz
08-02-08, 01:47 AM
According to wikipedia, the Iphone has a Samsung S5L8900 System on a chip which includes:

* A PowerVr graphic core of the MBX type (third generation, roughly similar to Kyro PC accelerators)

* An FPU

* A VGP (Vector Geometry Processor)

* An Arm1176 risc core (single issue, deep pipeline)

How that thing can be considered more powerful than a PSP is beyond me, considering also that clock frequencies are likely to be lower.

There's something similar to a "Dramcast on a chip" which is the Renesas SH7770, used in some car navigation systems and in an arcade board (the Sega Aurora) It's a chip that can run up to 400MHz (twice the original Dreamcast) and that include the more advanced SH4A processor core (which already includes a SIMD vector unit) in addition to the Vector Geometry Processor and the same MBX.

Sazar
08-02-08, 02:16 AM
All I can say is if you have played super monkey ball on this little sucker, it looks AWESOME.

And I have played it on the original N64 and also on the Wii version with the classic controller. Granted the screen is smaller but there is no stuttering. I was very impressed.

CaptNKILL
08-02-08, 02:37 AM
All the power in the world won't give it buttons...

:p

npras42
08-02-08, 05:30 AM
npras is a hater. pay him no mind.

Back in the day, I had nothing but respect for Carmack and id software, but he and his company have done nothing for years yet they constantly provide their rhetoric about current hardware and what it can and can't do and the media just lap it up as if the words came from God himself.

crainger
08-02-08, 06:09 AM
I slipped Carmack a fiver, expect a statement soon about the immense power of my erection.

Retrolock
08-02-08, 06:55 AM
Hey, how about the ipod touch? is it more powerful than the psp? lol

ralinn
08-02-08, 07:15 AM
All I can say is if you have played super monkey ball on this little sucker, it looks AWESOME.

And I have played it on the original N64 and also on the Wii version with the classic controller. Granted the screen is smaller but there is no stuttering. I was very impressed.

It definitely looks better than any DS game but definitely not any PSP game. I was impressed with monkeyballs graphics but still can't get over how they use a 2D sprite for the monkey in the ball.

Anyway, **** all that... it has monkeys so it's 30% more fun than any other game ever made.

Tygerwoody
08-02-08, 01:37 PM
Carmack is still relevant? wow

MowTin
08-03-08, 03:02 PM
The iphone doesn't even have a memory card slot right? Any games you purchased would have to be downloaded onto the phone itself, and it doesn't have massive amounts of storage to begin with.

I don't see the iphone becoming a real gaming platform.

Not for hardcore gamers. Well, I should say hardcore mobile gamers.

I'm a hardcore gamer and I don't own or plan to own a PSP. I'm not interested in playing GTA on the train. I want quick addictive fun titles and the iphone will deliver in this area.