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Digital_Trans
08-02-08, 06:31 PM
I just moved into my own town house in North Las Vegas and am awaiting for the cable company to come out and set my high-speed INTERNET connection up. I noticed that I was getting free INTERNET from the area I live in. Is there anything wrong with getting it free?

Q
08-02-08, 07:24 PM
Grey area.

I say that if you leave your network wide open, you WANT people to use it.

Digital_Trans
08-02-08, 07:40 PM
Grey area.

I say that if you leave your network wide open, you WANT people to use it.

Well it's fast and I even played some UT3 over the network...lmao!

AthlonXP1800
08-02-08, 08:25 PM
Yeah good for you to get free internet if you dont know where the wifi from then it not illegal and also if you actually know someone who use wifi then it illegal to access this without the wifi owner's permission. :)

Digital_Trans
08-02-08, 11:31 PM
What are the security risks of doing it and what would you do in order to not get caught if any?

AthlonXP1800
08-03-08, 02:43 AM
What are the security risks of doing it and what would you do in order to not get caught if any?

There are no security risks when you doing it in your house but risks caught when you sit, stand outside houses or in the car for long period that will raise suspicious.

My wifi network locked with assinged MAC codes only from my laptop, itouch and UMPC that are allowed to access the internet and people are not allowed to access it without my permission.

Runningman
08-03-08, 03:44 AM
There are no security risks when you doing it in your house but risks caught when you sit, stand outside houses or in the car for long period that will raise suspicious.

My wifi network locked with assinged MAC codes only from my laptop, itouch and UMPC that are allowed to access the Internet and people are not allowed to access it without my permission.

You call that security? lol. really, it wasn't worth the effort.

Runningman
08-03-08, 03:48 AM
What are the security risks of doing it and what would you do in order to not get caught if any?

well the access point could be setup to log and intercept your traffic. A malicious operator could have set that AP up to sniff all your traffic to capture user names and password or do a reverse attack against your machine and then launch attacks that could lead to key logging or other malicious activities. The only way to really protect yourself is not to do it. Not that i have done any of this.

Digital_Trans
08-03-08, 05:22 AM
Stop the press who is that? The knowledge base grows! HEHEH! HAHAHA! HO! HO! My Belkin N1 Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter is kicking some free a$$ high-speed internet! I just canceled my internet appointment lol! And that accounts for my notebook and deskop pc...

AthlonXP1800
08-03-08, 07:46 AM
well the access point could be setup to log and intercept your traffic. A malicious operator could have set that AP up to sniff all your traffic to capture user names and password or do a reverse attack against your machine and then launch attacks that could lead to key logging or other malicious activities. The only way to really protect yourself is not to do it. Not that i have done any of this.

Interesting, I looked up on internet about wifi sniffer software and surprised to read that it can capture username and password but when I looked at other site I wont named which I was shocked to read that the $300 software can sniff Wifi LAN and capture wired/switched LAN as well as ICQ, IRC, MSN and Email. It seem here is no way to protect yourself on LAN without wifi and the solution is to switch off when not in use. It is a threat to national security if many people use the tool.

Wonder is here a wifi sniff capture program for my itouch? :D

ViN86
08-03-08, 09:39 AM
depends.

some neighborhoods have free wi-fi, but only i you live in the neighborhood. however, if you mean your neighbor is too stupid to enabled security features, or you circumvented the security features, then you are breaking the law.

Digital_Trans
08-03-08, 01:50 PM
Interesting data.....

bacon12
08-03-08, 03:19 PM
Anyone can crack the encryption if they can get enough data, and have the time, but I secure my wifi so it isn't easy to leech bw.

Runningman
08-03-08, 03:30 PM
Anyone can crack the encryption if they can get enough data, and have the time, but I secure my wifi so it isn't easy to leech bw.

Your talking about WEP keys, yes, they are easy to crack but if your use wpa2 with mac filtering and Ipsec, then you shouldn't have much issue with intrusions.

ViN86
08-03-08, 05:16 PM
Anyone can crack the encryption if they can get enough data, and have the time, but I secure my wifi so it isn't easy to leech bw.

if you really want to secure your network, use a VPN. there are free software versions available, such as OpenVPN.

AthlonXP1800
08-03-08, 05:21 PM
Your talking about WEP keys, yes, they are easy to crack but if your use wpa2 with mac filtering and Ipsec, then you shouldn't have much issue with intrusions.

Actually WEP and WPA2 is so easy to crack as little as 4 mins to capture handshaking and decode to find a working password that current in use.

Think I will download some program on my UMPC later to test my wifi router with hardware stealth firewall with mac filtered and IP security to see if I can get passed it to access internet.

ViN86
08-03-08, 05:23 PM
Actually WEP and WPA2 is so easy to crack as little as 4 mins to capture handshaking and decode to find a working password that current in use.

Think I will download some program on my UMPC later to test my wifi router with hardware stealth firewall with mac filtered and IP security to see if I can get passed it to access internet.

im tellin you. set up a VPN and require connecting to the VPN before you can access. no one will get through that lol.

bacon12
08-03-08, 06:00 PM
Thanks vin I will look into open vpn as it works cross platofrm, and looks easy to set up. I doubt anyone would even get a signal off my property but you never know.

BrianG
08-03-08, 06:37 PM
There are no security risks when you doing it in your house but risks caught when you sit, stand outside houses or in the car for long period that will raise suspicious.

My wifi network locked with assinged MAC codes only from my laptop, itouch and UMPC that are allowed to access the internet and people are not allowed to access it without my permission.

You are telling the hackers which MAC codes to use. Heh.

If someone wants in, they'll get in. If someone wars in my hood, my only hope is that they'll see my SSID of RTFM and get a good laugh.

To the OP, if the network appears to be owned by the subdivision office, perhaps it is a perk. You never know, some apartments and garden communities have free hot spots near the pool, etc. Just make sure your PCs firewall is on and you renamed your workgroup to keep your shared folders private.

Runningman
08-03-08, 11:56 PM
Actually WEP and WPA2 is so easy to crack as little as 4 mins to capture handshaking and decode to find a working password that current in use.

Think I will download some program on my UMPC later to test my wifi router with hardware stealth firewall with mac filtered and IP security to see if I can get passed it to access internet.AES 256 has not been cracked, so i dont know were your getting that WPA2 is easy to crack and no, dictionary attacks arent considered cracking.

Runningman
08-04-08, 12:12 AM
im tellin you. set up a VPN and require connecting to the VPN before you can access. no one will get through that lol.VPN is one part of a multi layered security model, if used in conjunction with WPA2 and ipsec with radius authentication and token key entry, no way is anybody getting in threw the front door.
I also use openvpn on my server at home so that when im in a pinch and need to use a public Ap, i just vpn back to my sever and bouch my requests out of of that network, safe, secure and no way is anyone going to sniff my traffic.

AthlonXP1800
08-04-08, 03:44 AM
AES 256 has not been cracked, so i dont know were your getting that WPA2 is easy to crack and no, dictionary attacks arent considered cracking.

VPN is one part of a multi layered security model, if used in conjunction with WPA2 and ipsec with radius authentication and token key entry, no way is anybody getting in threw the front door.
I also use openvpn on my server at home so that when im in a pinch and need to use a public Ap, i just vpn back to my sever and bouch my requests out of of that network, safe, secure and no way is anyone going to sniff my traffic.

There is a program called Aircrack that can crack WPA2 as well as with 128bit AES, Aircrack is found to be the most powerful program support CPU multi-cores, it can do 1 million keys or more in a min by brutal force. Watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otQdAWuJzlA) clip on Youtube how the guy crack WPA2 with AES and it took 2 secs to find very strong password (-=Xploitz=- C0nn3cti0n=-) that are not found in the dictionary.

Also there is a program called Ettercap that can sniff VPN traffic to recover VPN username & password. Watch the clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgY6h-kWUI) on Youtube how to hacking VPN with Ettercap on Linux.

I had a problem running Aircrack and Ettercap for Windows, it didnt seemed to detect my Wifi and LAN hardware so Linux versions may work. I probably could try download BackTrack 3 Linux later which has all the tools include Ettercap and aircrack to try out.

No networks are safe and secured. My college Management Information System lecturer in 1997 told that networks security will never be 100% safe and secured, here no such as 100% security. I am surprised he right about it. Looked what happened to The Pentagon's biggest hacking of all time.

nekrosoft13
08-04-08, 07:17 AM
Athlon you google to much

ViN86
08-04-08, 10:37 AM
There is a program called Aircrack that can crack WPA2 as well as with 128bit AES, Aircrack is found to be the most powerful program support CPU multi-cores, it can do 1 million keys or more in a min by brutal force. Watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otQdAWuJzlA) clip on Youtube how the guy crack WPA2 with AES and it took 2 secs to find very strong password (-=Xploitz=- C0nn3cti0n=-) that are not found in the dictionary.

Also there is a program called Ettercap that can sniff VPN traffic to recover VPN username & password. Watch the clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgY6h-kWUI) on Youtube how to hacking VPN with Ettercap on Linux.

I had a problem running Aircrack and Ettercap for Windows, it didnt seemed to detect my Wifi and LAN hardware so Linux versions may work. I probably could try download BackTrack 3 Linux later which has all the tools include Ettercap and aircrack to try out.

No networks are safe and secured. My college Management Information System lecturer in 1997 told that networks security will never be 100% safe and secured, here no such as 100% security. I am surprised he right about it. Looked what happened to The Pentagon's biggest hacking of all time.
well, typically there is not master username/password for a VPN. you need security certificates. so unless you steal the security certificates, and then use them when the client isnt connected, youre not getting in.

on the VPN's i have set up, i didnt even use a username or password to connect. i made 5 security certificates, then i limited it to one connection per certificate. so, unless you get your hands on the security certificate (which you wont unless you actually get access to the computer, after you get into the network), then the script kiddies can do all they want, they arent getting in.

skinny40
06-03-09, 11:36 AM
I just moved into my own town house in North Las Vegas and am awaiting for the cable company to come out and set my high-speed INTERNET connection up. I noticed that I was getting free INTERNET from the area I live in. Is there anything wrong with getting it free?

I agree. It someone does not mind sharing something, why refuse it.