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Heinz68
08-06-08, 06:33 AM
AMD puts out a faster 780G
790GX has more of everything

By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday, 06 August 2008, 7:15 AM

AMD CURRENTLY HAS the best integrated graphics chipset on the market, the 780G, but it was just dethroned. Luckily, it is by a derivative chipset, the AMD 790GX, an upclocked 780G with a new south bridge and a lot of tweaks.

To be fair, lets start out by saying that it is not just a 780G with the clock turned up, but a third generation 780G. The first one was the one you know and love, until today the fastest integrated chipset out there bar none. The second generation started out with the chipset which went into the Puma laptops, and it brought some power-saving twists here and there. The third gen is the 790GX, and it has all of those additions, and some performance tweaks on top.

From the first time we showed you pics of the board, you will notice that it has two PCIe2 16x slots, and that is the key to the naming difference. In AMD newspeak, the 780 series has one 16x slot, and the 790 has at least two. We won't mention how suffixes confuse the issue, that would be double plus ungood. In any case, the PCIe2 lanes are the same, it just splits them into two 8x electrical channels, more than good enough for what you need to do.

How fast is fast? Well, the 780V ran at 300MHz, the 780G at 500, and if math is your forté, you can probably guess that the new one runs at 700MHz. Purely coincidence, but it is a nice thing to point out. This should bump the the 3DMark06 scores from the mid-1600s to the low- to mid-2000s. For an integrated GPU, that is a stunning achievement. Read more.... (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/06/amd-puts-faster-780g)
I hope some of you wont dismiss it with; "Oh no the idiot Charlie again" :)
Just kidding.

CaptNKILL
08-06-08, 09:05 AM
Wow, they're already available and they are pretty well priced.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=790GX&bop=And&Order=PRICE

And here are some reviews...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/758/1/

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-integrated-790gx,1988-9.html

Gaming performance is really impressive for integrated video too. I would honestly feel comfortable putting together a 790GX system for someone that wanted to play the occasional game but was on a budget. A year ago I never would have even considered using integrated graphics on a system that was ever likely to be used for modern games. The 780G and 8200\8300 were a huge step ahead of previous generation stuff (and Intel's latest).

ViN86
08-06-08, 09:09 AM
hmm, so would you say this board is HTPC worthy?

CaptNKILL
08-06-08, 09:19 AM
hmm, so would you say this board is HTPC worthy?

The chipset yes. The board will depend on your setup and your needs as far as size and connections.

Any 780G, 8200, 8300 or 790GX will be better than any other chipset though IMO.

The features and performance are just great.

I really wish I had the spare cash to build myself a kick ass HTPC system right now. :(

EDIT: I just noticed that most of the 790GX boards are standard ATX, not Micro ATX, so you have to make sure your HTPC case will support the board. Most of the reasonably sized ones are ATX though. Usually only the tiny slim cases are Micro ATX.

Just whipped some HTPC systems together with one of these boards.

One with just a DVD-Burner for around $425 shipped:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=8594112

And one with just a BD-ROM for around $525 shipped:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=8594132

:drooling:

mullet
08-06-08, 10:43 AM
http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/mainboard/amd-780-740-chipsets-p1.html

mojoman0
08-06-08, 11:36 AM
no tv tuner card cap?

Medion
08-06-08, 12:01 PM
Using Newegg prices:

Best rated AMD 790 mobo - GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128352) - $144.99

Phenom X4 - 9850 Black Edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249) - $194.00

Total - $338.99
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Best rated Intel P35 - DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136043) - $129.99

Intel Quad Core - Q6600 - $194.99

EVGA 9500GT - $69.99

Total - $394.97
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There's definitely a price difference, but I'd prefer the Intel combo. Better CPU performance, better low-end gaming performance. And before someone tells me that the P35 lacks crossfire, or DDR2-1066 support, if you're considering integrated graphics for an HTPC, you're an idiot if Crossfire and DDR2-1066 matters.

If you're doing no gaming at all, the AMD combo is superior, as it offers near comparable CPU performance for $60 less. If you want to do some gaming, the Intel combo is more than worth the price difference.

mullet
08-06-08, 01:06 PM
You mean this for HTCP.
$89.99 ASUS M3A78-EMH 780G HDMI (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131273)
$77.00 AMD Athlon X2 4850e 2.5GHz 45W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103255)
$79.00 G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122)

$245.99

nekrosoft13
08-06-08, 01:18 PM
mullet choices are better, no need for quad in HTPC

Medion
08-06-08, 01:23 PM
mullet choices are better, no need for quad in HTPC

Agreed. For an HTPC, his choices are far better. I was just using an exmaple to show that, if they want to compare the 790 onboard graphics for gaming, getting a cheaper mobo + 9500GT is a better way to do it, IMO.

Moo
08-06-08, 02:43 PM
Waiting for AthlonXp to come in and bless this thread...

Oh wait, is he still hiding from the gaytorrent.ru incidence?? :p:D

CaptNKILL
08-06-08, 08:36 PM
no tv tuner card cap?

Heh, I never watch TV. I don't even have cable. A tv tuner can be added if you want to use it for DVR. To me, an HTPC is mainly useful because of the internet since so many shows are available directly online for free now with less commercials.

Agreed. For an HTPC, his choices are far better. I was just using an exmaple to show that, if they want to compare the 790 onboard graphics for gaming, getting a cheaper mobo + 9500GT is a better way to do it, IMO.

The onboard will use significantly less power, less heat, create less noise, and take up less space in the case. Which are all important factors for an HTPC.

I doubt anyone is dead set on playing Crysis on a low priced HTPC. When I think of gaming on an HTPC, I think of something more along the lines of casual fun or party games. Something like the Flatout series, SPORE or Sam & Max. Games that run and look good on a wide range of hardware.

I agree that a 9500GT is a pretty good card for the money if you're doing some low end gaming, but if price, power efficiency, heat and noise are all concerns, integrated video wins hands down. The ability to play games with decent performance is just an added bonus.

Its almost impossible to find any benchmarks that compare integrated video to discrete video, but I think the 790GX probably performs pretty close to the 8500GT, which is probably around 50%-75% of the 9500GT or 8600GTS. Not bad for what amounts to basically free graphics power on a $110 motherboard.

crainger
08-06-08, 09:02 PM
Waiting for AthlonXp to come in and bless this thread...

Oh wait, is he still hiding from the gaytorrent.ru incidence?? :p:D

Doubt it.

Athlon doesn't care about that, we all know he is gay. Doesn't bother him, doesn't bother most of us here really.

ViN86
08-07-08, 01:39 AM
Using Newegg prices:

Best rated AMD 790 mobo - GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128352) - $144.99

Phenom X4 - 9850 Black Edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249) - $194.00

Total - $338.99
------------------------------------------------

Best rated Intel P35 - DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136043) - $129.99

Intel Quad Core - Q6600 - $194.99

EVGA 9500GT - $69.99

Total - $394.97
---------------------------------------------------------------

There's definitely a price difference, but I'd prefer the Intel combo. Better CPU performance, better low-end gaming performance. And before someone tells me that the P35 lacks crossfire, or DDR2-1066 support, if you're considering integrated graphics for an HTPC, you're an idiot if Crossfire and DDR2-1066 matters.

If you're doing no gaming at all, the AMD combo is superior, as it offers near comparable CPU performance for $60 less. If you want to do some gaming, the Intel combo is more than worth the price difference.
fwiw, P35 supports crossfire, just not dual x8 or dual x16 connections. one x16 and one x4, but it's still doable :)

CaptNKILL
08-07-08, 02:36 AM
fwiw, P35 supports crossfire, just not dual x8 or dual x16 connections. one x16 and one x4, but it's still doable :)

P35 also supports DDR2-1066. I've been using the stuff for quite a while.

Medion
08-07-08, 06:15 AM
The onboard will use significantly less power, less heat, create less noise, and take up less space in the case. Which are all important factors for an HTPC.

I doubt anyone is dead set on playing Crysis on a low priced HTPC. When I think of gaming on an HTPC, I think of something more along the lines of casual fun or party games. Something like the Flatout series, SPORE or Sam & Max. Games that run and look good on a wide range of hardware.

I agree that a 9500GT is a pretty good card for the money if you're doing some low end gaming, but if price, power efficiency, heat and noise are all concerns, integrated video wins hands down. The ability to play games with decent performance is just an added bonus.

Its almost impossible to find any benchmarks that compare integrated video to discrete video, but I think the 790GX probably performs pretty close to the 8500GT, which is probably around 50%-75% of the 9500GT or 8600GTS. Not bad for what amounts to basically free graphics power on a $110 motherboard.

FYI, the 9500GT doesn't even use an onboard power connector, uses a minimal fan, and is very quiet. The heat and power usage are low. It's a die-shrunk 8600GTS, and is actually 20-30% faster than that card, which puts it more than twice as fast as the 8500GT.

fwiw, P35 supports crossfire, just not dual x8 or dual x16 connections. one x16 and one x4, but it's still doable :)

The P35 board I linked only supports 1xPCI-E16x slot, no x4 slot. No Crossfire.

P35 also supports DDR2-1066. I've been using the stuff for quite a while.

DDR2 800 is the max for the board I linked.

saturnotaku
08-07-08, 06:18 AM
fwiw, P35 supports crossfire, just not dual x8 or dual x16 connections. one x16 and one x4, but it's still doable :)

Doable, yes. Worth it, hardly. Some site recently did a comparison of the various Intel chipsets and Crossfire support. The x16/x4 setup was, by far, the worst. But you don't really want a setup like that for an HTPC. It would be better to have two separate machines, one for gaming and one for HT.

nekrosoft13
08-07-08, 07:41 AM
for HTPC, dual core with a lower spec hardware accelerated video card (8500gt, 36xx) is all you need)

Medion
08-07-08, 02:16 PM
for HTPC, dual core with a lower spec hardware accelerated video card (8500gt, 36xx) is all you need)

Agreed (or even onboard video). Just gotta make sure that the mobo w/onboard video doesn't cost so much more than one without, that you could get a discrete card instead.

Heinz68
08-08-08, 03:23 AM
AMD's 790GX is the fastest integrated graphics chipset on the market. Period.
Another 790GX review, this time by TechReport (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15256/1)

CaptNKILL
08-08-08, 03:58 AM
Another 790GX review, this time by TechReport (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15256/1)

I agree with their conclusion that the 790GX graphics chip looks a little out of place on a $150 motherboard, but for some reason they didn't mention that you can get boards that use it for under $110.