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tornadog
08-07-08, 12:40 PM
Owner of a Samsung 46" 720p Slim DLP HDTV for a little over a year now. My firend came over for dinner and we were watching a movie that was showing on a HD channel. I was sitting in the center and he was sitting to the right of the screen. During the movie he asked me how much I could get for selling this tv, I said about 500. Then he said I should try selling it an dgetting a LCD as the screen was dark and at his view angle it was blurry. So now that has put a lot of doubt on my mind. I even went to Bestbuy last night and indeed the LCDs and Plasma look so much brighter compared to the DLPs there. I am thinking of trying to sell it and get one of those Sony Bravia 40 inches!!!
|JuiceZ|
08-07-08, 01:30 PM
Who cares, its your tv, if it suits your needs, why go buy something else?
Who cares, its your tv, if it suits your needs, why go buy something else?
What if one of his needs is impressing company?
tornadog
08-07-08, 06:30 PM
So what good:
Panasonic Viera 42" plasma or Sony Bravia 40" LCD or Samsung 40" LCD
crainger
08-07-08, 07:48 PM
The Sony's ARE good, but often you'll find they aren't quite worth the extra you pay. If you want LCD, get the Sammy Sung, if you want plasma get the Pana. However if you really want to impress, get the Sony.
BronzeGod
08-07-08, 10:54 PM
Samsung LCDs are the best hands down.
While I can't say for certain that Samsung's LCDs are the best, they are definitely my preference. Sure, you could get a Sony Bravia...or you could save a few hundred $$$ and get the Samsung 6 series, which is the same panel (Samsung supplies most of the panels that Sony uses right now). Or if you really want to blow some money, get the Samsung 9 series (6, 7, and 8 series use the same panel, except the scaled down 630). The 9 series uses LED backlighting.
betterdan
08-08-08, 07:53 AM
Screw your friend. Not literally of course. I love our Mits DLP.
If angle viewing is of importance, a plasma will get you the best results.
Panasonic or Pioneer are the 2 top manufactures in Plasma.
Also, what TV does your friend own as reference?
If angle viewing is of importance, a plasma will get you the best results.
I don't think you can generalize like that. I just picked up a Samsung LCD, the LN46A750, and I can't see a color shift until almost parallel with the screen...
npras42
08-08-08, 01:57 PM
I don't think you can generalize like that. I just picked up a Samsung LCD, the LN46A750, and I can't see a color shift until almost parallel with the screen...
I agree. I'd say that most modern LCDs made by the major brands have absolutely no problems with viewing angle at all.
Monolyth
08-08-08, 03:51 PM
Samsung & Sony use the same panels in their newer LCD lines anyway. Save some money get a Samsung.
Pana is really the only good Plasma choice left, though in their day Pioneer Plasma's were THE best TV PQ-wise.
Go with a Sammy LCD IMHO. LN40A650 is a nice mix of price + features/inputs.
I don't think you can generalize like that. I just picked up a Samsung LCD, the LN46A750, and I can't see a color shift until almost parallel with the screen...
Its not necessarily a color shift but grey scale shift.
Bring up a near black grey scale ramp with Below black information in it.
Calibrate your black level while sitting directly in front of the unit to the point were below black matches the video level black background.
Then move around and you will see that black levels change, not so much color.
Plasmas still command quite a premium. The picture also degrades quicker than others. Also has a shorter lifespan.
On that note, my 42" toshiba dlp has been running over 5,500hrs on the same bulb.
Its not necessarily a color shift but grey scale shift.
Bring up a near black grey scale ramp with Below black information in it.
Calibrate your black level while sitting directly in front of the unit to the point were below black matches the video level black background.
Then move around and you will see that black levels change, not so much color.
Well most of the content I view is color. ;)
Either way, you may be right, but I don't like doing these types of tests. It's a psychological thing; If I am not aware of the issue, will it bug me?
Seriously, If I had never found avsforums it probably wouldn't have taken me 3 years to get an HDTV.
npras42
08-08-08, 06:05 PM
Well most of the content I view is color. ;)
Either way, you may be right, but I don't like doing these types of tests. It's a psychological thing; If I am not aware of the issue, will it bug me?
Seriously, If I had never found avsforums it probably wouldn't have taken me 3 years to get an HDTV.
That's so true. When I got my Sony LCD, I bought it after just doing a few tests in store. When I read avsforums I found out there was a known issue with clouding on some panels. I spent weeks looking for clouding and convincing myself I could see it when it didn't exist. I think the 'clouding' they were talking about was very obvious but I was looking for subtle changes in black levels around the screen and seeing things that just weren't there.
If you guys post on AVS, you may know who I am then. ;)
That's so true. When I got my Sony LCD, I bought it after just doing a few tests in store. When I read avsforums I found out there was a known issue with clouding on some panels. I spent weeks looking for clouding and convincing myself I could see it when it didn't exist. I think the 'clouding' they were talking about was very obvious but I was looking for subtle changes in black levels around the screen and seeing things that just weren't there.
Haha me too! Every now and then I think "Is that flashlighting? Damn AVSFORUM!"
Usually black backgrounds appear to show panel faults when I watch SD content, so I am chalking it up to source. Even if it isn't, I am trying to delude myself. However, just typing this thought out indicates I have failed so far. ARGH!
The cloud "ISSUE" is real, but can only be seen on an all black background, and on an angle of 35 degrees or more. Not worth worring about.
tornadog
08-08-08, 10:21 PM
If angle viewing is of importance, a plasma will get you the best results.
Panasonic or Pioneer are the 2 top manufactures in Plasma.
Also, what TV does your friend own as reference?
60" Pioneer Kuro
Damn that was fast, put the tv for sale on CL and got quite a lot of responses. Guy came to see it in the noon and paid cash straight off. Now I am out of a tv...lol
Imbroglio
08-08-08, 10:28 PM
Damn that was fast, put the tv for sale on CL and got quite a lot of responses. Guy came to see it in the noon and paid cash straight off. Now I am out of a tv...lol
there's a reason for that... DLP are hands down the best picture quality available. your "friend" sounds like a brainwashed bb employee. i own a sony 60a3000 and everyone that has ever seen my tv has remarked that my picture looks 100 times better than their lcd/plasma. if your friend didn't like the picture from where he was sitting, why not just tell him to switch seats? i'll take real black levels over a thinner bezel anyday
60" Pioneer Kuro
Damn that was fast, put the tv for sale on CL and got quite a lot of responses. Guy came to see it in the noon and paid cash straight off. Now I am out of a tv...lol
Are you going to get the Kuro? If so save a little extra and get the Elite. Prue Mode is almost perfect out of the box. I know the basic 2008 Kuro's now have no option to calibrate to 6500K Color Temperature.
there's a reason for that... DLP are hands down the best picture quality available. your "friend" sounds like a brainwashed bb employee. i own a sony 60a3000 and everyone that has ever seen my tv has remarked that my picture looks 100 times better than their lcd/plasma. if your friend didn't like the picture from where he was sitting, why not just tell him to switch seats? i'll take real black levels over a thinner bezel anyday
Your TV is a nice TV.
Some small things keep it from being a really great TV.
Overscan
1080P 60Htz only
Silk Screen Effect
1080i Deinterlacing is a 540P bob and not IVTC to 1080p
But it is not really comparable to a 50" or 60" Kuro Elite.
Also, I think you already know this but your TV is a Lcos, not DLP.
npras42
08-09-08, 07:56 AM
The cloud "ISSUE" is real, but can only be seen on an all black background, and on an angle of 35 degrees or more. Not worth worring about.
That's how crazy I was. That's exactly what I was doing: Going to an black output, turning the backlight up to max and then looking at it from all angles to see if I could see it. It was completely stupid.
BTW, sorry I only check out AVS for info and news when I'm ready to splash cash on something new so I don't remember you. I can't remember if I've ever actually posted there. I also go to the UK equivalent to avs at avforums.
GeeTeeEx
08-16-08, 03:37 PM
Sony sets are not that great. I've owned the V and Z series in the past, and I'm NOT going back to Sony TV's ever. Their PQ is definitely inferior to Samsung counterparts...
If I were you I would stick with Samsung TV's. There's a reason why they pretty much hold a third of the worlds LCD hdtv market lol. Btw, their new 9 series is going to blow away the sony's xbr8 (which I HATE the looks of, those dumbo earlike side speakers are the ugliest additions to an HDTV yet). Or you can vouch for the 850/860s which have slim bezel and blue color infused into the bezel glass, instead of the red as in 6/7 series.
EDIT: you probably wouldn't want the consistent sparkle issue of the sony sets. That drove me CRAZY, to the point that I actually did NOT want to turn my TV on, defeating the purpose of me buying it in the first place lol...
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