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musman
08-09-08, 02:23 PM
a "mini" or "Micro" ATX MB with PCI Express 2.0? I need a faster processor & have a Mini ATX case with a crappy MB that will not support a Quad Core CPU. I know, I know.... get a bigger case. The case I would buy if I was going to get one is $125 and I could put that into the processor & MB I need to buy.

Vanzagar
08-09-08, 02:40 PM
Why don't you add more to your topic so everyone doesn't have to drop into it just to figure out what you are asking...

CaptNKILL
08-09-08, 03:20 PM
Why do you need PCI-E 2.0 exactly?

musman
08-09-08, 05:13 PM
Why do you need PCI-E 2.0 exactly?


It's my understanding that 2.0 is faster, so, if I'm gonna get a new MB for the processor I'm going to buy, I want it to be PCI 2.0.....I would think? :)

See, my current MB will not support the CPU I want. SO why not get PCI 2.0 also?

CaptNKILL
08-10-08, 01:26 AM
My guess would be that Micro ATX baords can't handle the heat and power requirements of PCI-E 2.0. I think it sends significantly more power through the PCI-E slot. Plus, the chipsets that use it are probably more power hungry as well.

The smaller the board, the less power it's components can handle. This is why Mini ITX boards rarely support anything other than mobile CPUs.

Unless you desperately need a small PC, I'd recommend saving up a little more cash and just getting a standard ATX case and a standard ATX motherboard. You can get a P45 board for like $100 I think. P43 boards are even cheaper. And decent cases can be had for well under $100.

Even if you need a tiny PC, there are some very small cases that are still tall enough to support full ATX boards.

Bman212121
08-10-08, 01:37 AM
PCI-E 2.0 isn't going to make any difference with anything you're throwing into a mini case. The only cards that are PCI-E 2.0 are the 9 and GTX series. I doubt the GTX are even bottlenecked by PCI-E 1.1.

Starscream
08-10-08, 01:26 PM
My guess would be that Micro ATX baords can't handle the heat and power requirements of PCI-E 2.0. I think it sends significantly more power through the PCI-E slot. Plus, the chipsets that use it are probably more power hungry as well.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N78FullHD-hSLI%20R3.0&s=AM2%2b
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A780FullHD&s=AM2%2b
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A780FullDisplayPort&s=AM2%2b

This took me all of 10 seconds to find.

Lfctony
08-10-08, 01:31 PM
PCI-E 2.0 isn't going to make any difference with anything you're throwing into a mini case. The only cards that are PCI-E 2.0 are the 9 and GTX series. I doubt the GTX are even bottlenecked by PCI-E 1.1.

They're not. My current board is PCIe 1.0 and my system scores are identical to my PCIe 2.0 750i motherboard...

Starscream
08-11-08, 02:22 PM
Here's another one from Asrock. This one takes INTEL quadcores.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=G43Twins-FullHD

Starscream
08-11-08, 02:39 PM
Here's another one, this time manufactured by Intel.

http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45ID/DG45ID-overview.htm

EDIT - oh and BTW here's a mini-itx Intel board that uses DESKTOP processors - http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45FC/DG45FC-overview.htm

This stuff isn't hard to find if you take 5 minutes to look.

Starscream
08-12-08, 01:56 PM
Foxconn:

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_overview.aspx?ID=en-us0000411

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_overview.aspx?ID=en-us0000410

Starscream
08-12-08, 02:07 PM
Sapphire AMD Board:

http://www.sapphiretech.com/ca/products/products_overview.php?gpid=213&grp=6

CaptNKILL
08-12-08, 02:17 PM
Here's another one, this time manufactured by Intel.

http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45ID/DG45ID-overview.htm

EDIT - oh and BTW here's a mini-itx Intel board that uses DESKTOP processors - http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45FC/DG45FC-overview.htm

This stuff isn't hard to find if you take 5 minutes to look.

Yes, I know there are ITX boards that take desktop processors. I built a computer using one. I said that they "rarely" support desktop processors.

I thought it was common knowledge that smaller boards can generally stand less power being put through them. That's why most brands don't have high end chipsets on micro ATX boards. PCI-E 2.0 is still a rather high end feature, so the micro ATX PCI-E 2.0 market is a bit of a niche right now. ASrock is known for producing configurations that few other companies bother with.

If you look around at newegg, you'll see that most G43 chipset boards have a 4x slot and the PCI-E 2.0 spec isn't listed.

I'll admit, that was the only place I looked for PCI-E 2.0 micro-ATX boards, and none came up when I did a search, so I assumed that none were readily available.

No need to be so condescending with your responses... somehow I get the feeling you don't like me based on your responses to me in a few threads recently. :p

Starscream
08-12-08, 02:19 PM
XFX

http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/products/motherboards/GeForce%20AMDseries/GeForce%208300.aspx

Starscream
08-12-08, 02:42 PM
Asus AMD board:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=643&l4=0&model=2268&modelmenu=2

Bearclaw
08-12-08, 05:00 PM
There are a TON of Micro-ATX boards with PCI-E 2.0 Check new egg and click Micro-ATX, and 2.0

Done.

CaptNKILL
08-12-08, 05:13 PM
There are a TON of Micro-ATX boards with PCI-E 2.0 Check new egg and click Micro-ATX, and 2.0

Done.

Only for AMD though. It lists none for Intel.

Starscream
08-13-08, 12:19 AM
Asus Intel board:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=699&l4=0&model=2246&modelmenu=2

mullet
08-13-08, 12:46 AM
I will wait for the X88 Chepsit.