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UDawg
05-13-03, 11:23 PM
This is the truely a pathetic trick by the dems (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86820,00.html) ....but then again this is Texas. :D
WASHINGTON — The floor of the Texas House was a quiet place Tuesday despite the fact that business is pending in the state Legislature.

Senate Republicans who make up 88 of the 150 seats in the House had wanted to vote on a redistricting plan that would likely have saved several Republican congressional seats and possibly could lead to an increase in the number of Republicans elected to the U.S. Congress.

But more than 50 House Democrats would have none of it, and in a surprise — and illegal — move, they went into hiding in a hotel/command center in neighboring Oklahoma, defying House rules that say lawmakers cannot intentionally miss a quorum call.

"One powerful member of Congress has wrongly decided to usurp the power given to 150 members of the Texas House in order to establish an unquestionable hold on national power," said Rep. Richard Raymond, pointing the finger at U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (search).

The diversion started Sunday night when 58 Texas Democrats slipped across the Red River to take up temporary residence at a Holiday Inn in Ardmore, Okla. On Monday, Republican Gov. Rick Perry (search) sent the Texas Rangers to Ardmore to arrest and escort the AWOL Democrats back to Austin, a move allowed under the Texas Constitution.

However, Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry (search), a Democrat, prevented the retrieval, saying the Texas Rangers had no jurisdiction inside the Sooner State. Trooper pleas to the lawmakers to return voluntarily failed.

On Tuesday, the troopers did find one Democrat, Rep. Helen Giddings, who while supporting her colleagues, agreed to return to the Legislature to take care of business. She was escorted by police car back to the Capitol building. Others also returned of their own will, leaving 51 at large, one shy of the quorum call of 100.

Democrats say they should not be required to redraw district lines, particularly after a federal court drew Texas' congressional districts when state lawmakers failed to do so in 2001. They say it is a non-districting year.

"Congressman DeLay is wrong to upset a process that should be left to deal with every 10 years. We believe we are right in our efforts to stop him," Raymond said of DeLay's redistricting plan.

DeLay, who wants to turn around the 17-15 Democratic majority in the state's congressional delegation, said he has never seen lawmakers turn tail and hide when legislation wasn't going their way.

"I think this is outrageous, particularly for Texans, to turn and run from a good fight. This is about the Constitution and their responsibility to redistrict and apportion according to the Constitution, Article 1, Section 2. It is very specific."

By law, the state Legislature is allowed to revisit the court's decision in off years. Despite his aggravation, DeLay did have some fun with the turn of events, passing out an altered photo of the hotel Democrats were staying in with the Texas Statehouse dome morphed on top.

"We don't act like Texas legislators but we did stay at the Holiday Inn Express," the caption reads.

State House Republicans also had some fun while they waited. They quickly printed up a deck of playing cards featuring pictures of the missing Democrats. A pair of milk cartons circulated around the chamber, plastered with the faces of missing Democrats.

Still, a subdued House Speaker Tom Craddick said there is no room for negotiations on the vote.

"It is a state's right to redistrict. We weren't allowed that right the last session of the Legislature by a Democrat-controlled speaker and a Democratic-controlled Legislature," Craddick said.

If lawmakers miss the Thursday deadline for preliminary votes in the House, any legislation that comes to the floor will need a two-thirds vote to pass. Several major bills, including a budget-balancing government reorganization proposal, could fall victim to the deadline.

Late Tuesday, State Republican Chairman Susan Weddington wrote Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle to ask him to investigate if any of the meetings in Oklahoma were in violation of state law.

"Unfortunately, news reports indicate that the group has been discussing legislative matters. There is a concern that these discussions may actually be a violation of the Open Meetings Laws, because it appears the members on the House Committees on Pensions and Investments, and Land and Resource Management have a majority of their members present, thus producing a quorum," she wrote.

Democrats denied that any of their conduct in Oklahoma fell under the category of House business.

Despite the legal wrangling, Texas Democratic Rep. Martin Frost said he hailed the Democrats for their courage.

"They are doing the right thing. They are in the best Texas tradition. They are heroes."

State Rep. Pete Gallago expressed surprise as well at the impact of the caucus' actions.

"This has been a tremendous bonding experience for those of us who are here. It is not an easy thing to get over 50 members of the Legislature to agree on lunch, much less to agree on a trip to our neighboring state of Oklahoma," he said.

Oklahoma Gov. Henry said the lawmakers were welcome to stay as long as they like, saying their business is good for the state's economy.

This is not the first time lawmakers have gone into hiding in Texas. Twenty-four years ago, 12 state senators hid out in defiance of Republican Lt. Gov. Bill Hobby. They became known as the "Killer Bees" and they hid out in a garage in Austin and played poker while Texas Rangers scoured the state looking for them.

Fox News' Brian Wilson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

netviper13
05-13-03, 11:27 PM
I think it's a damn smart move. They can't stay in Texas or they will be forced to go back to the house. Basically a newer version of the fillibuster...ah, long live the fillibuster.

LORD-eX-Bu
05-13-03, 11:34 PM
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=120481

Let our boys have their fun with them, and return whats left when they are done:firedevil

UDawg
05-13-03, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by netviper13
I think it's a damn smart move. They can't stay in Texas or they will be forced to go back to the house. Basically a newer version of the fillibuster...ah, long live the fillibuster.

They have a leagal obligation to do the people's business. This is a pathetic party with no direction. The people of Texas voted in a legal election to have their reps legislate. They are not doing it.

What they are actually saying is. We are not the majority party so we will ignore the people and hide in OK. :rolleyes: PATHETIC!

This isn't politics. This is childish.

You actually think this is smart? ....you live in Floriduh don't you? :p

UDawg
05-13-03, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=120481

Let our boys have their fun with them, and return whats left when they are done:firedevil

I want to own a SAW:jumping: and I am not talking about a knock off but the real deal.

sbp
05-14-03, 02:17 AM
Wanted dead or alive. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif

But seriously. Ever since the Republicans took control of both chambers for the first time in 130 years, the Democrats have been in a snit. Its like the dems believe they are still the majority and get whatever they want. And if they don't get what they want, they have a conniption fit. :argh:

Disgraceful. Instead of taking care of the people's business, they chose to skulk off. How is running away standing up for their beliefs? How is hiding and refusing to talk? All it gives is an appearance of being yellowbellies {which they are}. As one of the remaining democrats said, if you want to make an impact you have to be there. But the lamers chose not to, then made a run for the border during the cover of the night. :ass:

See stunts like this don't help the image of the democratic party. They are already rightfully percieved as a weak, aimless party. And what a boneheaded move. The voters know where the blame is going to go and the democrats will lose seats over this.

Dumb Democraps Found in Oklahoma (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51231-2003May13.html)

"Texas's most eagerly sought fugitives were tracked to their lair late Monday when state troopers discovered more than 50 Democratic state legislators holed up just over the border in Oklahoma, where they were staying in a Holiday Inn and holding court at Denny's." Tracked like a bunch of rats. Holding court at Denny's. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/laughingicon.gif

Do such lowdown varmits really want to be found? http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/smilewinklaugh.gif

Either the stooges come back at once to take care of the people's business or they lose the seats. Its that simple.

vampireuk
05-14-03, 02:45 AM
oooh a picture of the afterbirth:angel:

Darth Rancid
05-14-03, 02:54 AM
Isn't Filibustering just a form of political spam? :)

PsychoSy
05-14-03, 03:10 AM
It's like the dems believe they are still the majority and get whatever they want. And if they don't get what they want, they have a conniption fit.

Reminds me of the time in the 1990s when the Republican tribe in congress shut down the Government. The GOP threatened Clinton, "If you don't give us what we want, we'll shut down the Government!" Clinton ignored those whiney little brats and went golfing. The Republicans called Clinton back saying, "Neener, Neener, Neener! WE SHUT DOWN DA GUB'MINT!!"

Clinton's counter was priceless - "GET BACK TO WORK, YOU SLACKERS, OR CLEAN OUT YOUR DESK!!"

Of course, Clinton couldn't force them to clean out their desks...
But with his HUGE approval rating, he could persuade those that could - the American people. And the next time their seats were up for grabs, that's exactly what happened.

What color was that kettle again, Udawg? :p

UDawg
05-14-03, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Darth Rancid
Isn't Filibustering just a form of political spam? :)

BAHAHAH!!! brilliant! This is the quote of the day.


I say... good form. :p

UDawg
05-14-03, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by PsychoSy
Reminds me of the time in the 1990s when the Republican tribe in congress shut down the Government. The GOP threatened Clinton, "If you don't give us what we want, we'll shut down the Government!" Clinton ignored those whiney little brats and went golfing. The Republicans called Clinton back saying, "Neener, Neener, Neener! WE SHUT DOWN DA GUB'MINT!!"

Clinton's counter was priceless - "GET BACK TO WORK, YOU SLACKERS, OR CLEAN OUT YOUR DESK!!"

Of course, Clinton couldn't force them to clean out their desks...
But with his HUGE approval rating, he could persuade those that could - the American people. And the next time their seats were up for grabs, that's exactly what happened.

What color was that kettle again, Udawg? :p

*sigh*

The republicans did not shut down the government. It was Clinton and the dems. Get it straight and try not to use that old spin the dems used.

That whole issue was another of the dems ability to look like babies when they don't get their way. The rate of spending increased was decreased and the dems lied and said the republicans are going to cut school lunch and the government workers won't get turkey for thanks giving. :rolleyes:

Let me remind you who refused to sign the spending bill so as not to fund the government.....ummmm CLINTON!!!! He did the actuall shut down and organize the whole scheme to place blame on the GOP for not increasing spending. A well thought out plan but still in the babyish I can't beat them at the debate so I will trick them sort of democrat way.

I will say it was "Bob lets make a deal Dole" who did not stick with the republicans and screwed us in that situation. I never liked him since then.

So in closing Psy the kettle is gray... the same color as the dems donkey. :p

LOL I can hear you googling right now. :p

BTW nice try. ;) :p :D

1stFlight
05-16-03, 11:27 AM
What everyone missed ..

Democrats in Texas and Washington accused DeLay of ordering federal Homeland Security Department forces to help search for the missing legislators. DeLay denied it. But Homeland Security officials acknowledged Thursday that they helped looked for a state plane assigned to a senior Texas Democrat because state police feared it was missing.


Funny, I didn't know Homeland Security could be used in this manner, as for the plane, that's the FAA's job to track that.