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SH64
08-11-08, 09:33 AM
LOL! :wtf: .. from what i've seen so far i believe its true though.
According to parental guidance organization What They Play, recent polls conducted on 3,000 respondents in two separate polls concluded that drinking beer and watching pornography were less objectionable activities for children than playing certain video games.

Nearly 3,000 respondents in two separate What They Play polls concluded that drinking beer and watching pornography were less objectionable activities for children than playing certain video games. Further, viewing violence was more acceptable than seeing content involving sex and sexuality within games.
.. Which shows the parents ignorance & lack of knowledge about video games these days. :thumbdwn:

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=54639

Noriega
08-11-08, 09:50 AM
So I guess most parents would prefer to watch their kids masturbating while watching porn than playing games?

SH64
08-11-08, 09:56 AM
So I guess most parents would prefer to watch their kids masturbating while watching porn than playing games?
According to the study : Yes.

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 10:01 AM
LOL! :wtf: .. from what i've seen so far i believe its true though.


.. Which shows the parents ignorance & lack of knowledge about video games these days. :thumbdwn:

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=54639

Are you serious? Do you have a child? You gamers defend your games to the bitter end. If you want to play them fine but don't act as if they do not have a negative impact on young children. Parents should not be letting their children play these violent games and monitor how much time they allow their children to play any game. At the same time you guys who do not have children have zero idea what you are talking about. My son saw me play a minute or for TF2 and he had nightmares for a couple of days. These games are more violent than you know because you are used to them.

The study clearly says why they are more concerned about video games. It is because they feel more comfortable in dealing with the alcohol and porn issue than video games. You are mischaracterizing what the study is saying. Parents should be concerned about all these issues.

SH64
08-11-08, 10:07 AM
Are you serious? Do you have a child? You gamers defend your games to the bitter end. If you want to play them fine but don't act as if they do not have a negative impact on young children. Parents should not be letting their children play these violent games and monitor how much time they allow their children to play any game. At the same time you guys who do not have children have zero idea what you are talking about. My son saw me play a minute or for TF2 and he had nightmares for a couple of days. These games are more violent than you know because you are used to them.
I dont have childern but i do know & confirm the video games effects on kids. heck i even talked so many times to my friend who has a 5yr old kid to be more careful about what his kid is playing.
my problem is with parents treating games more aggressively than alcohol & porn which is nothing but a lack of education & knowledge.

DansFace
08-11-08, 10:12 AM
Are you serious? Do you have a child? You gamers defend your games to the bitter end. If you want to play them fine but don't act as if they do not have a negative impact on young children. Parents should not be letting their children play these violent games and monitor how much time they allow their children to play any game. At the same time you guys who do not have children have zero idea what you are talking about. My son saw me play a minute or for TF2 and he had nightmares for a couple of days. These games are more violent than you know because you are used to them.

The study clearly says why they are more concerned about video games. It is because they feel more comfortable in dealing with the alcohol and porn issue than video games. You are mischaracterizing what the study is saying. Parents should be concerned about all these issues.

lol
this cracks me up :captnkill:

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 10:19 AM
I dont have childern but i do know & confirm the video games effects on kids. heck i even talked so many times to my friend who has a 5yr old kid to be more careful about what his kid is playing.
my problem is with parents treating games more aggressively than alcohol & porn which is nothing but a lack of education & knowledge.

That wasn't what the study was saying. Below is the crux of the article. If anything parents should take more time to understand the games and what not. That is where the parents are failing.
“Although these findings seem surprising at first, they hint at fears parents have about video games,” says Cheryl K. Olson, Sc.D., co-author of Grand Theft Childhood. “To some parents, video games are full of unknowable dangers. While researching for Grand Theft Childhood, parents we spoke with in focus groups often bemoaned the fact that they didn’t know how to use game controls - and felt unequipped to supervise or limit video game play. Of course, parents don’t want their children drinking alcohol, but that’s a more familiar risk.”

I don't think games are evil. All things should be in moderation. What really bugs me is the gaming community constantly defends the games with NO regards to what is really going on. Think about it. A bunch of 20 something guys thinking they know something about children. That idea blows my mind and makes me laugh for hours. Still it gets better. When I do post anything saying that games are actually not good for children, the gamers here completely lie about what I say and then act like little kids. I'm not saying you are but look at the post above mine. There was no attempt to understand what the article was saying or what I said. All he knows is someone opposed gaming so he has to be a idiot.

breathemetal
08-11-08, 10:26 AM
when i have kids, i wont let them play video games for a long time. theres just to much bad that can happen imo.

Ninjaman09
08-11-08, 10:27 AM
lol
this cracks me up :captnkill:

How so? I thought he made some good points. I'm sure you could do better than a one-liner if it's so hilarious to you.

DansFace
08-11-08, 10:27 AM
That wasn't what the study was saying. Below is the crux of the article. If anything parents should take more time to understand the games and what not. That is where the parents are failing.


I don't think games are evil. All things should be in moderation. What really bugs me is the gaming community constantly defends the games with NO regards to what is really going on. Think about it. A bunch of 20 something guys thinking they know something about children. That idea blows my mind and makes me laugh for hours. Still it gets better. When I do post anything saying that games are actually not good for children, the gamers here completely lie about what I say and then act like little kids. I'm not saying you are but look at the post above mine. There was no attempt to understand what the article was saying or what I said. All he knows is someone opposed gaming so he has to be a idiot.

well some of us were kids and with very younger siblings at some point too I've turned out fine and so have my siblings... The only thing that I could understand about this is a younger child around the ages of 7. At an age when porn and drugs really aren't available or a problem(I hope). Hard to believe parents are worried about porn. I would have ran around the house humping objects when i was 15 if it wasn't for it :D

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 10:30 AM
How so? I thought he made some good points. I'm sure you could do better than a one-liner if it's so hilarious to you.

I'm used to it. My position is very moderate on gaming. Just make sure you monitor the games your your child plays and limit their playing time. Very common sense stuff. Yet if you say that games are more harmful than what gamers believe, then gamers get very hostile and treat you as a Nazi coming to put people in ovens.

You are simply not allowed to question anything in the gaming community.

BioHazZarD
08-11-08, 10:35 AM
So I guess most parents would prefer to watch their kids masturbating while watching porn than playing games?

haha yea thats not sick :D

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 10:36 AM
well some of us were kids and with very younger siblings at some point too I've turned out fine and so have my siblings... The only thing that I could understand about this is a younger child around the ages of 7. At an age when porn and drugs really aren't available or a problem(I hope). Hard to believe parents are worried about porn. I would have ran around the house humping objects when i was 15 if it wasn't for it :D
You made my point about young gamers not knowing much. Do you honestly at age 22 you know something about raising a child? Shoot you are just a couple of years just out of being a child. I'm not trying to put you down but I remember when I was 22. The amount of information I thought I knew compared to what I actually knew was mind blowing. Looking back I giggle at how dumb I was in my opinions.

Having siblings at a very young age and raising a child are two completely different things. To even bring that up as a point is not in the realm of seriousness.

Vanzagar
08-11-08, 10:37 AM
Are you serious? Do you have a child? You gamers defend your games to the bitter end. If you want to play them fine but don't act as if they do not have a negative impact on young children. Parents should not be letting their children play these violent games and monitor how much time they allow their children to play any game. At the same time you guys who do not have children have zero idea what you are talking about. My son saw me play a minute or for TF2 and he had nightmares for a couple of days. These games are more violent than you know because you are used to them.

The study clearly says why they are more concerned about video games. It is because they feel more comfortable in dealing with the alcohol and porn issue than video games. You are mischaracterizing what the study is saying. Parents should be concerned about all these issues.

+1

lol
this cracks me up :captnkill:

-1 :retard:

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 10:45 AM
Did he scream out at night : "DADDY, THERE'S A SPY IN OUR BASE!!!" :D

LMAO! No he said ****ING SPAWN CAMPING BASTARDS!

Actually I should have said he saw Half LIfe 2 not TF2. TF2 isn't that bad if you take out the blood.


Brilliant post btw. :thumbsup:

lightman
08-11-08, 10:54 AM
I'm used to it. My position is very moderate on gaming. Just make sure you monitor the games your your child plays and limit their playing time. Very common sense stuff.

The same should be said about almost anything. These days, there are way too many parents thinking that a TV makes up for a good babysitter.

Parents should spend much more time with their childs than they do. People who don't like the idea of giving up some of their time to be with their childs, shouldn't reproduce...

Vanzagar
08-11-08, 11:10 AM
With graphics getting more and more photo realistic you have to wonder how this will effect kids when playing violent games. If a kid gets his hands on the next Soldier of Fortune/Condemned game with updated/improved Crysis graphics there's no way of knowing how this will effect them, when we look back at examples of how games effected us in the past there's no real precedence for this. I'm not sure what age would be suitable for being immersed in photo realistic ultra violent games, we haven't treaded that water yet...

But that brings me to another point I've thought about, I have two young kids and I enjoy gaming, at what age can I share my hobby with them? I'd love to be able to set up a LAN and play Titan Quest, SWAT 4 or Counter Strike with them, but when - age 8, 10, 13, 15, I dunno, thoughts?

rh

SH64
08-11-08, 11:14 AM
That's up to you. Kids mature at different rates. If you think your kids are mature enough to play a little counter strike, play it with them.
Yep .. my friend sometimes plays GoW MP/COOP with his 5-6yrs kid .. though i dont advise it due to violence in that game.

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 11:22 AM
With graphics getting more and more photo realistic you have to wonder how this will effect kids when playing violent games. If a kid gets his hands on the next Soldier of Fortune/Condemned game with updated/improved Crysis graphics there's no way of knowing how this will effect them, when we look back at examples of how games effected us in the past there's no real precedence for this. I'm not sure what age would be suitable for being immersed in photo realistic ultra violent games, we haven't treaded that water yet...

But that brings me to another point I've thought about, I have two young kids and I enjoy gaming, at what age can I share my hobby with them? I'd love to be able to set up a LAN and play Titan Quest, SWAT 4 or Counter Strike with them, but when - age 8, 10, 13, 15, I dunno, thoughts?

rh
I go by the rating on the box. Sure the rating scheme is messed up but if you research it, you can come up with a good plan.

My son is 9 and he plays WoW maybe once a week, if that. He spends his time running around buying swords from vendors and killing boars. I don't allow him to get involved in the actually server community of WoW.

My son is regulated to just mario games, sonic games and Zelda games and such. I took Twilight Princess away from him because it was too scary for him. He just wasn't ready for it. I also didn't realize it was a T game.

DansFace
08-11-08, 11:34 AM
You made my point about young gamers not knowing much. Do you honestly at age 22 you know something about raising a child? Shoot you are just a couple of years just out of being a child. I'm not trying to put you down but I remember when I was 22. The amount of information I thought I knew compared to what I actually knew was mind blowing. Looking back I giggle at how dumb I was in my opinions.

Having siblings at a very young age and raising a child are two completely different things. To even bring that up as a point is not in the realm of seriousness.

sigh you're right
I'll wait twenty years and a bunch of kids to have an opinion

Ninjaman09
08-11-08, 11:39 AM
I took Twilight Princess away from him because it was too scary for him. He just wasn't ready for it. I also didn't realize it was a T game.

Also it was the crappiest one! :D

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 11:45 AM
sigh you're right
I'll wait twenty years and a bunch of kids to have an opinion

This is what I am talking about. You are so concerned about someone disagreeing with your opinion rather than actually defending your opinion.

Having an opinion is fine but some people can give better informed opinions when they have experience more. I am sure you will be offended by this but it is true. You have a much different opinion on things when you get older.

Lets look at your previous post. You said you had siblings that were younger than you. Ok you can look at them from a different position. That is good. At the same time you were just a kid your self. It is normal. You have a very limited understanding of the world and how it affects children when you are a child. Sorry but 15-19 year olds are not adults and they do not have a wealth of understanding of the world. Shoot, most males do not even become men until they are around 28. Before that they are just playing around with some money in their pocket, a car and getting together with their friends while having very few responsibilities. This is normal in America. I know I was this way. This is why the gaming community is frustrating and why I keep it at arms length. I think the biggest group of gamers are males in their teens to mid twenties. And they have a informed opinion on what the affects of gaming has on young children?

Also it was the crappiest one! :D
He LOOOVES Ocarina of Time and still plays it every once in a while.

Logical
08-11-08, 12:50 PM
My 6 year old son plays DMC, cod4 and soul calibur on his x360.

Maybe i should take them away and give him a fap mag and bottle of vodka instead. :/

CaptnStubing
08-11-08, 01:16 PM
My 6 year old son plays DMC, cod4 and soul calibur on his x360.

Maybe i should take them away and give him a fap mag and bottle of vodka instead. :/
Has anyone actually read the article yet?

ralinn
08-11-08, 01:22 PM
My 6 year old son plays DMC, cod4 and soul calibur on his x360.

Maybe i should take them away and give him a fap mag and bottle of vodka instead. :/
Well he shouldn't be. It's your call though of course and I wouldn't tell you how to raise your kids.

Anyway, I don't think gamers over react to negative comments about gaming. They over react to how uneducated people generalise games. It's a big issue here in England as so many _retarded_ parents will believe anything they hear on the news. At the moment games = bad... this is a load of toss.

Films = Bad for kids? No
Games = Bad for kids? No

Adult Films = Bad for kids? Yes
Adult Games = Bad for kids? Yes

If a parent is stupid enough to pick up a film or game for their child with an 18 certificate on it, it's their own damn fault. It's there plain as day.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/18cert.gif/100px-18cert.gif http://www.encams.org/publications/images/15.gif

Do I have kids? No, I'm 24 without kids. This does not mean I know "**** about ****" though. I have common sense. When I have a kid, I will not pick this **** up for them.

I have enough commen sense to realise that not all games are the same. Games that are violent and intended and rated for ADULTS just like films are. It's about time the ignorant realise that games are not intended just for kids.