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bkswaney
05-14-03, 02:05 AM
Nvidia has no sign of the 5800 on there site now. :)
From the looks of the 5800 performance with the new drivers not using AA/AF maybe they want it to go away. ;)
It's bad when your old card beats your new. :angel:

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=desktop

Badash
05-14-03, 02:48 AM
Yeah i was a bit suprised by how well the 5800 ultra does compared to the 5900 ultra 256mb, which leads me to believe that even doom 3 doesn't need 256mb, and the alpha plays fine on my system already. But I bet games like SWG EQ2 and games like that that have a distant field of view would benefit from 256 this year. I just saw a gainward OEM 5800 on ebay if anyone wants one.
Gainward 5800 U OEM (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729431730&category=40161)

bkswaney
05-14-03, 02:59 AM
If the GW on ebay goes for 350 or so it's a good deal.
Yep the new drivers make a world of difference for sure.
Screensavers I was getting 40 fps on with AA/AF on I'm now getting 70+ and better IQ. :) :)

If nvidia had released the ultra with the 44.03 drivers it would have had a much better welcome.
I love the flowfx it's not that loud and all the heat gets pulled out. I think it's way ahead of it's time.

marcocom
05-14-03, 04:01 AM
fully. flowFX is awesome. i love it. but i can see how its too much for anyone into 'silent computing' like watercooling rigs.

wow thats pretty funny about nvidia's website. wtf.

its just simple logic that unless you stress the cards memory bandwidth with hi-rez+AF, the contest goes back to good old clockspeed. and 500mhz core, 1ghz ram...that sounds aweful fast for a stock speed....

:)

Nv40
05-14-03, 04:33 AM
what i miss in the Nv35 is the 500/1000 memory core clocks!!
I love more Brute FOrce Power than any other thing :D

Nv35 and the R300/R350 are more for people that cant live
with very-high AA/AF settings... what they dont realize is that the
next latest generation of games like Splintercell/Doom3/Stalker/probably
halflife2 AA/AF will no be possible to max settings anymore if ANY!
like it is today.. in other words a 256bit Bus will help *in no way* ..
with latest games... if they are forced to play in low resolutions
for performance reasons .

heck in DOom3 and splintel cell benchamrks
a Geforce4ti200 is as fast as a radeon9500pro with 256bit bus.
aa/af is not possible there with playble framerates.
the Nv30 almost is as fast as the Nv35 there too,
no matter the later have near 2x times its bandwidh... 16Gb vs 27Gb..

a card can have Unlimited bandwidht but if it doesnt have
enough Bruteforce power,then all that bandwidt will be useless
in a game that is only playable with luck at medium resolutions..

so i hope people dont get blinded so much by the
"no one buys a top of the line card to play without AA/AF"
because i have see people "upgrading" from a Geforce4ti4600
to a radeon9500pro just for the AA/AF. to later discover
that they cards are even slower than a Geforce4Ti200 in new games .. :)

because there will be always games in the near future ,
that will require your TOP of the line video to play
new games at *only* standar IQ ,without AA/AF.

so for the people that dont upgrade video cards frecuently
it is far better for they to pick a card that have the best possible
bruteforce power in performance.
so thats why I will take any day something like a redisigned Nv30
with better cooling ,and better PS/VS speeds ,with core clocks of 600/600
in a 128bit bus ,than the Nv35 we have today .
because it not only will play well today ,but also in the future.

with the increasing of transistors in Video cards ,
i think that fequencies like 500/1000 will not be seen anymore for a long
time ,until ATi or Nvdia move to something like .9 die process ,
and mature enough with that .

bkswaney
05-14-03, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by marcocom
fully. flowFX is awesome. i love it. but i can see how its too much for anyone into 'silent computing' like watercooling rigs.

wow thats pretty funny about nvidia's website. wtf.

its just simple logic that unless you stress the cards memory bandwidth with hi-rez+AF, the contest goes back to good old clockspeed. and 500mhz core, 1ghz ram...that sounds aweful fast for a stock speed....

:)

:)

I like my 551/1100 settings the best. :D That is 120% stable and never drops back even with hours of gaming. :)
I'll get near the 7000 mark with this card in 3DM03. "That's kickin some big time @ss" :angel:

Nv40
05-14-03, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by bkswaney
:)

I like my 551/1100 settings the best. :D That is 120% stable and never drops back even with hours of gaming. :)
I'll get near the 7000 mark with this card in 3DM03. "That's kickin some big time @ss" :angel:



7000 marks!!!! holy s#t!
you have a nice system by the way...
did you know what is the world Record in 3dmark2003?

i have never heard of 7,000 marks... wow!
what you do to overclock so much your video card?

if someone launch a watercooled Nv30 that can reach 600/600
i will be really tempted to buy it.. :)

bkswaney
05-14-03, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Nv40
7000 marks!!!! holy s#t!
you have a nice system by the way...
did you know what is the world Record in 3dmark2003?

i have never heard of 7,000 marks... wow!
what you do to overclock so much your video card?

if someone launch a watercooled Nv30 that can reach 600/600
i will be really tempted to buy it.. :)

Gainward has a water cooler for the NV30. :D

I just have an extra fan blowing on my card. That's it.
I guess I got lucky and got a good card. ;)
My auto overclocker set my card at 570/1130 Mhz.
But I run it al the time at 551/1100.

I'm not sure what the top score is. Never looked.
I'm sure it's way above me tho. There are some 4Ghz P4's out there. :eek:
I had to use a budget 2.4 P4 to get my 3114 Mhz. :D
I love my setup tho. It's rrock stable unlike when I had a 9700pro in it. It had agp sig problem with these gbay boards.

marcocom
05-14-03, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Nv40

so i hope people dont get blinded so much by the
"no one buys a top of the line card to play without AA/AF"
because i have see people "upgrading" from a Geforce4ti4600
to a radeon9500pro just for the AA/AF. to later discover
that they cards are even slower than a Geforce4Ti200 in new games .. :)


but that was all meaningless because the Geforce4 didnt score as high in 3dmark, and there has been the single most frustrating issue for many nvidia owners. calling our really fast hardware junk because of simulated benchmarks.

especially if your a competitive gamer - in competition FPS games, you dont run AA or AF , you want REAL PERFORMANCE over your opponent and frankly nvidia delivers on that time and time again.

now one single friggin benchmark (hardly that. just a game demo) shows the slightest advantage and everybody and their mother is shifting their views and future purchase plans and thats just NOT how you want to shop with your hard earned money...

...but hardware mfrs certainly hope you continue to do so. especially ATi, who will sure as hell have something in a month to make everyone jump ship again, etc. and etc. and etc.

i sure hope people get tired of this someday and we go back to demanding NEW EFFECTS and NEW FEATURES from our mfrs instead of this ridiculous tit-for-tat that just gets us faster and faster scores in meaningless tests that reflect nothing of value to those that SERIOUSLY GAME.

Solomon
05-14-03, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by bkswaney
Nvidia has no sign of the 5800 on there site now. :)
From the looks of the 5800 performance with the new drivers not using AA/AF maybe they want it to go away. ;)
It's bad when your old card beats your new. :angel:

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=desktop

Yep, I mentioned that too in another thread. What's even worse is that it's not even mentioned on their new nZone site. What's up with that? This would be a prime example of not trusting nVidia in what they say. If you look at it from an objective side of things. First nVidia shouts about the 5800 Ultra GPU. Now when they released a 5900 Ultra they seem to have an attitude of, "We got the 5900, who cares about the 5800."

Is the 5800 Ultra in the .inf file of the new 44.03 WHQL drivers from them?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com

saturnotaku
05-14-03, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Solomon
Is the 5800 Ultra in the .inf file of the new 44.03 WHQL drivers from them?

Yes. :)

bkswaney
05-14-03, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Solomon
Yep, I mentioned that too in another thread. What's even worse is that it's not even mentioned on their new nZone site. What's up with that? This would be a prime example of not trusting nVidia in what they say. If you look at it from an objective side of things. First nVidia shouts about the 5800 Ultra GPU. Now when they released a 5900 Ultra they seem to have an attitude of, "We got the 5900, who cares about the 5800."

Is the 5800 Ultra in the .inf file of the new 44.03 WHQL drivers from them?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com


Yep. ;)
The WHQL's score even higher than the beta 44's.
My 3DM01 is up 350 points more from the beta's.
Heck I might break 18,000. :D
Not bad for a 3.1Ghz CPU. :)

Typedef Enum
05-14-03, 08:30 PM
Nv35 and the R300/R350 are more for people that cant live with very-high AA/AF settings

We'll see how true this statement is...As of this point in time, it's completely off the mark.

Nv40
05-14-03, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by bkswaney
Yep. ;)
The WHQL's score even higher than the beta 44's.
My 3DM01 is up 350 points more from the beta's.
Heck I might break 18,000. :D
Not bad for a 3.1Ghz CPU. :)


Go Go ...Bk..
you can do it.. :)

Rogozhin
05-14-03, 09:48 PM
NV40

you know that nvidia can't get you: laid, into heaven, or more weed, so why the pimping?

rogo

Badash
05-14-03, 10:10 PM
saturnotaku,
I saw you Geforce 5800 U on ebay, I guess your getting the 5900 but there's no telling when it will actually be available. Late june says nVidia, but nVidia isn't gainward/msi/asus etc. Late june could mean august for an actual card in hand. Who knows. But I am going to keep one of mine till nv40 and prob upgrade one to nv35, mostly due to noise, the 5800 performs excellent. And no word from zalman on their cooler yet.

StealthHawk
05-15-03, 12:18 AM
I'm not sure why this is so surprising. Didn't most people expect the gfFX5800 and gfFX5800Ultra to disappear with the introduction of NV35? That's why NV35 was launched so soon after the true release of NV30 cards.

edit: Oh and, it exists! (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=fx_5800)

bkswaney
05-18-03, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
I'm not sure why this is so surprising. Didn't most people expect the gfFX5800 and gfFX5800Ultra to disappear with the introduction of NV35? That's why NV35 was launched so soon after the true release of NV30 cards.

edit: Oh and, it exists! (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=fx_5800)

All this is saying is the NV30 is dead before it even started.
I knew they would kill the NV30 as soon as the 35 was ready.
But the NV30 will still be a top performer.
Anyone who has a 5800 has the HP to play any game on the market. Even those that r coming like D3.
It seems more powerful than the R300 with the newer drivers.

muzz
05-18-03, 02:06 AM
Seems is a pretty strong word these days BK.

bkswaney
05-18-03, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by muzz
Seems is a pretty strong word these days BK.

Not really. Even with older drivers it scores well.
I run my card at 550/1100 and it runs just as good. ;)

muzz
05-18-03, 02:20 AM
I'm sure it runs well, it IS a good card.

I will leave it at that, as TBO it is NOT worth getting into ( enough threads already bro).

Enjoy your card man.

Rampant CL
05-18-03, 06:15 AM
Summing it up:

!. FX Flows and MSI cooling plans rule (The MSI fx cooler looks similar to an NV35 one)

2. FX 5800 (Ultras) still own graphically with the new drivers

3. 5800 Ultras have a higher (theoretical) fill rate of 2.0/4.0 GB/s while FX 5900 Ultras have only 1.8/3.6 GB/s

5800's are worth it (methinks) even if they aren't going to be officially promoted anymore.