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ATi

08-16-08, 12:22 PM

sounds like I may need a new psu too whats a good one for me????

walterman

08-16-08, 12:22 PM

LordJuanlo, our shared friend got a couple of 4870, and i helped him to install them.

He was using an Enermax Liberty 650W psu, with his old 8800GTX.

After installing the 2x 4870s, the system was really unstable, even with the default clocks.

We had to install a 2nd 500W psu, to power the 2nd gfx card, to gain stability in AoC.

I played with different combinations of the 12V rails & adapters, and no luck.

With 1 card, the system was stable, but with the 2nd card, no way, until we installed the 2nd power supply.

I can tell you that the cards get really really really hot, when they are running. I touched one by accident, and i burned my finger for a second. Really really hot !

The case was open, and the room had air cooling at 21ºC.

My friend is going to buy the Corsair HX1000W, as final solution. Also, he plans to buy 2x 4870X2. Crazy guy :)

Also, once the system was stable, we tried some games. My friend is crazy with AoC. The game was running at 50fps avg with 1920x1200 8xAA all options set to very high, but, once we changed the visibility to the max range, the frame rate dropped to 20fps. Guess that this is normal with this game. CPU was a Q9450 @ 3.4 GHz, with 4GB & XP32. We'll try Vista x64 once he gets the X2 cards.

Also, i tried my BR2 patch, and i'm seriously disappointed with the crossfire compatibility with the old games. Without my patch, the game was running seriously slow (crossfire activated), but running at full speed with just 1 card. Also, i wasn't able to force the AA modes from the control panel. I hope that the situation is better under Vista, cause under XP, it was really bad.

Blkout

08-16-08, 02:41 PM

Make sure to post some Crysis @Very High settings numbers!

I've got some for you, but these aren't screen shots, I just saved them as doc's and copy and pasted the results. You'll have to take my word for it that I didn't alter them. I have no reason to though. This card is very impressive, but Crysis on very high is still a tough nut.

My PC specs: Intel E8400 dual core @ 4.1GHz, 8GB of GSkill DDR2 @ 912MHz, Abit IP35 Pro MB, Sapphire 4870x2 @ stock clocks. Vista 64 Ultimate OS.

All tests were run with 16xASF and all settings to best quality in the ATI CC. Please note that I didn't test any AA settings.

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8/16/2008 1:03:40 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 36.70s, Average FPS: 54.49
Min FPS: 38.37 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 79.45 at frame 896
Average Tri/Sec: -39143504, Tri/Frame: -718350
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.28
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 32.24s, Average FPS: 62.04
Min FPS: 38.37 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 84.55 at frame 108
Average Tri/Sec: -44398156, Tri/Frame: -715612
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.28
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 32.15s, Average FPS: 62.21
Min FPS: 38.37 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 85.55 at frame 93
Average Tri/Sec: -44466660, Tri/Frame: -714829
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.28
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:03:40 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX9 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS:62.125

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8/16/2008 12:56:50 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 88.59s, Average FPS: 22.58
Min FPS: 16.54 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 41.00 at frame 81
Average Tri/Sec: -10205270, Tri/Frame: -452037
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.03
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 81.77s, Average FPS: 24.46
Min FPS: 16.54 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 41.00 at frame 81
Average Tri/Sec: -10719221, Tri/Frame: -438277
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.09
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 79.39s, Average FPS: 25.19
Min FPS: 16.54 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 48.98 at frame 109
Average Tri/Sec: -11029197, Tri/Frame: -437787
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.09
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 12:56:50 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 24.825

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8/16/2008 1:12:17 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 39.26s, Average FPS: 50.94
Min FPS: 38.90 at frame 1976, Max FPS: 65.92 at frame 879
Average Tri/Sec: -34492576, Tri/Frame: -677174
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.35
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 34.53s, Average FPS: 57.93
Min FPS: 38.12 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 70.52 at frame 887
Average Tri/Sec: -39058836, Tri/Frame: -674265
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.36
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 35.15s, Average FPS: 56.89
Min FPS: 38.12 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 70.52 at frame 887
Average Tri/Sec: -38435800, Tri/Frame: -675603
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.36
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:12:17 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX9 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 57.41

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8/16/2008 1:15:27 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 89.14s, Average FPS: 22.44
Min FPS: 16.73 at frame 1024, Max FPS: 42.25 at frame 85
Average Tri/Sec: -10146947, Tri/Frame: -452243
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.03
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 82.46s, Average FPS: 24.25
Min FPS: 16.73 at frame 1024, Max FPS: 42.25 at frame 85
Average Tri/Sec: -10645250, Tri/Frame: -438920
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.09
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 79.53s, Average FPS: 25.15
Min FPS: 16.73 at frame 1024, Max FPS: 50.79 at frame 74
Average Tri/Sec: -11026461, Tri/Frame: -438484
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.09
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:15:27 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 24.7

slaWter

08-16-08, 02:44 PM

Thanks for posting Blkout.
That's exactly why I use DX9 with custom configs :p

btw, can you please re-run those 4 tests with 4x AA enabled? TIA.

Blkout

08-16-08, 02:45 PM

And here's one more for those people that still think 64-bit doesn't make a difference, this one is 32-bit mode. Quite a drop from 54.7FPS in 64-bit to 45.8FPS in 32-bit .

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8/16/2008 1:20:59 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 53.62s, Average FPS: 37.30
Min FPS: 23.10 at frame 154, Max FPS: 55.07 at frame 1649
Average Tri/Sec: -25289358, Tri/Frame: -678000
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.35
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 43.82s, Average FPS: 45.64
Min FPS: 23.10 at frame 154, Max FPS: 56.61 at frame 1007
Average Tri/Sec: -30826988, Tri/Frame: -675393
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.36
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 43.43s, Average FPS: 46.05
Min FPS: 23.10 at frame 154, Max FPS: 58.99 at frame 97
Average Tri/Sec: -31019980, Tri/Frame: -673675
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.36
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:20:59 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX9 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 45.845

Blkout

08-16-08, 02:47 PM

Thanks for posting Blkout.
That's exactly why I use DX9 with custom configs :p

btw, can you please re-run those 4 tests with 4x AA enabled? TIA.

DX9 is very playable on the 4870x2, but DX10 is still too far out there right now. It's the game, not the card though as even Nvidia can't do Crysis DX10 very well. I don't know that we'll see a video card that will run Crysis DX10 at 60+ FPS in the near future. I'm fine with 1920x1200 @ high settings in DX9 though. Very playable.

Blkout

08-16-08, 02:48 PM

btw, can you please re-run those 4 tests with 4x AA enabled? TIA.

LOL, all of them?

slaWter

08-16-08, 02:49 PM

DX9 is very playable on the 4870x2, but DX10 is still too far out there right now. It's the game, not the card though as even Nvidia can't do Crysis DX10 very well. I don't know that we'll see a video card that will run Crysis DX10 at 60+ FPS in the near future. I'm fine with 1920x1200 @ high settings in DX9 though. Very playable.

I agree plus very high is overrated. A good custom config in DX9 is the way to play Crysis IMO.

I'd like to see some AA results (see request above). Apparently the X2 is made for AA, even in Crysis ;)

EDIT: or just the 1920x1200 DX9 High and DX10 Very High tests, thanks!

Blkout

08-16-08, 03:13 PM

I agree plus very high is overrated. A good custom config in DX9 is the way to play Crysis IMO.

I'd like to see some AA results (see request above). Apparently the X2 is made for AA, even in Crysis ;)

EDIT: or just the 1920x1200 DX9 High and DX10 Very High tests, thanks!

Per request, two tests at 1680x1050 high and very high settings, and two tests at 1900x1200 high and very high settings, all with 4xAA enabled, 64-bit mode.

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8/16/2008 1:49:04 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1680x1050, AA=4x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 51.17s, Average FPS: 39.09
Min FPS: 31.10 at frame 1305, Max FPS: 57.87 at frame 898
Average Tri/Sec: -26895408, Tri/Frame: -688124
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.33
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 45.96s, Average FPS: 43.52
Min FPS: 31.10 at frame 1305, Max FPS: 61.07 at frame 1014
Average Tri/Sec: -29789720, Tri/Frame: -684528
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.34
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 45.93s, Average FPS: 43.55
Min FPS: 31.10 at frame 1305, Max FPS: 61.15 at frame 853
Average Tri/Sec: -29812990, Tri/Frame: -684599
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.34
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:49:04 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX9 1680x1050 AA=4x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 43.535

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8/16/2008 1:53:01 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=4x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 93.96s, Average FPS: 21.29
Min FPS: 15.78 at frame 1974, Max FPS: 38.12 at frame 73
Average Tri/Sec: -9227455, Tri/Frame: -433515
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.11
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 87.61s, Average FPS: 22.83
Min FPS: 15.78 at frame 1974, Max FPS: 38.12 at frame 73
Average Tri/Sec: -9598512, Tri/Frame: -420441
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.18
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 85.16s, Average FPS: 23.49
Min FPS: 15.78 at frame 1974, Max FPS: 42.16 at frame 99
Average Tri/Sec: -9863312, Tri/Frame: -419962
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.18
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:53:01 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=4x, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 23.16

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8/16/2008 1:58:32 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1900x1200, AA=4x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 60.91s, Average FPS: 32.84
Min FPS: 24.85 at frame 1968, Max FPS: 48.27 at frame 899
Average Tri/Sec: -21302478, Tri/Frame: -648755
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.41
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 55.35s, Average FPS: 36.13
Min FPS: 24.85 at frame 1968, Max FPS: 52.88 at frame 988
Average Tri/Sec: -23301332, Tri/Frame: -644896
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.42
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 55.44s, Average FPS: 36.08
Min FPS: 24.85 at frame 1968, Max FPS: 52.88 at frame 988
Average Tri/Sec: -23233310, Tri/Frame: -643981
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.42
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 1:58:32 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX9 1900x1200 AA=4x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 36.105

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8/16/2008 2:02:30 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=4x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 94.81s, Average FPS: 21.10
Min FPS: 13.66 at frame 1032, Max FPS: 37.84 at frame 72
Average Tri/Sec: -9127398, Tri/Frame: -432663
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.12
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 88.04s, Average FPS: 22.72
Min FPS: 13.66 at frame 1032, Max FPS: 38.70 at frame 63
Average Tri/Sec: -9517491, Tri/Frame: -418979
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.19
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 85.30s, Average FPS: 23.45
Min FPS: 13.66 at frame 1032, Max FPS: 42.86 at frame 83
Average Tri/Sec: -9840465, Tri/Frame: -419691
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.18
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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8/16/2008 2:02:30 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1900x1200 AA=4x, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 23.085

Blkout

08-16-08, 03:16 PM

About 20fps drop with 4xAA in DX9, but no drop at all with 4xAA in DX10. How bizarre. Not that it's very playable at DX10 with or without AA.

slaWter

08-16-08, 03:25 PM

Blkout, thanks for the test, much appreciated!
What drivers are you using, 8.8?

Blkout

08-16-08, 03:28 PM

Blkout, thanks for the test, much appreciated!
What drivers are you using, 8.8?

8.52.6 which came with the video card. I don't know how these fit into the standard Catalyst 8.6, 8.7, 8.8 driver naming. Seems like these drivers would be a few months old already, but they work fine.

Xion X2

08-16-08, 03:45 PM

Blkout

08-16-08, 03:48 PM

You need to update the driver. There's a significant improvement seen with the X2s in Crysis on the new 8.8 beta.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198045&highlight=mascaras.

That's great! But I'll hold off for the official driver release. I try not to do beta releases and these are working fine for now. Maybe the officials will be out in a week or two. I don't upgrade drivers any more than I have to.

Lfctony

08-16-08, 03:49 PM

Xion X2

08-16-08, 03:59 PM

Blkout

08-16-08, 04:19 PM

Definitely something wrong with Crysis scaling. Let me iterate...

1 GTX280 scores an average of 25-27 at 1680x1050, V.High. The 4870x2 should eat it for breakfast, but it's slower, based on your scores... Also, note that moving from 1680 to 1920 incurs no performance hit. Again, pointing out a problem...

Note that in V.High, AF is essentially disabled even if forced... This is due to POM being enabled when you set the game to the specific settings...

I have yet to see a review where the 4870x2 is considerably faster than the 280 in Crysis in DX10. Fact is, the game coding just sucks. The 4870X2 eats the 280 in every other game. If the 4870x2 only has one weak game, I can live with that, it's not like performance is bad. It's certainly playable. Very high settings are just bad. All games in DX10 take a performance hit, it's just a matter of how much.

slaWter

08-16-08, 04:26 PM

Yeah. Performance has increased a lot since then. The 8.8 beta brings noticeably faster performance in Crysis. Bit-tech confirms the same average that mascaras over at XtremeSystems got on his in DX10 Very High--

Bit-tech didn't use the 8.8s... or are those the 8.8? :o

AMD ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB - operating at 750/3,600MHz using Catalyst 8.52.2 (beta)

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/08/13/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-x2/5

slaWter

08-16-08, 04:32 PM

You need to update the driver. There's a significant improvement seen with the X2s in Crysis on the new 8.8 beta. 1920x/DX10/Very High averages 32fps:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198045&highlight=mascaras.

Thanks for the link Xion. Very good Crysis performance even with AA! Looks like I have to get a X2 after all :p

Xion X2

08-16-08, 05:06 PM

Bit-tech didn't use the 8.8s... or are those the 8.8? :o

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/08/13/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-x2/5

Those are the 8.8s. There are usually 2 numbers--don't ask me why. There's also an 8.54 that's also an 8.8 beta, but the 8.52 is working better in Crysis, I hear.

slaWter

08-16-08, 05:15 PM

Those are the 8.8s. There are usually 2 numbers--don't ask me why. There's also an 8.54 that's also an 8.8 beta, but the 8.52 is working better in Crysis, I hear.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Computerbase also used that driver, Very High and a custom benchmark in the "Ice" level:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2008/test_ati_radeon_hd_4870_x2/20/#abschnitt_crysis

Xion X2

08-16-08, 05:25 PM

Looks like I have to get a X2 after all

Better yet, get two. ;)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6974/p1240540jm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4213/p1240541af4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

walterman

08-16-08, 05:59 PM

Xion X2, please tell me if your Corsair HX1000W can run the couple of X2s. My friend is going to buy a couple too, and we would like to know if this PSU can run the cards properly.

BTW, excellent setup dude :thumbsup:

Xion X2

08-16-08, 06:09 PM

Sure, I'll report back. I don't anticipate any problems at all.

slaWter

08-16-08, 06:18 PM

Better yet, get two. ;)

It sure looks temping, nice pics and hardware :D

But like I said, I don't want so use my Dell as my gaming display anymore...

Please post a few X2 vs CrossfireX benchmarks with high AA settings in different games. Maybe you'll convince me to get two cards even for 1080p :p